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Question 791-20(1): Opening of Yellowknife Transitional Housing Facility
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister responsible for Housing. Oral questions. Member from Range Lake.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

October 17th, 2025

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask about the North of 60 mining tax credit that's been advocated by this government, that's been advocated by other northern governments and by our industry. We don't have the capacity to carry such a credit. The federal government would have to do it. Can -- I'm not sure who, either the Premier or the Minister of ITI -- inform us of is this still -- the creation of a North of 60 tax credit still a priority for our federal engagement? Thank you.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you. I'm going to turn to the Premier, and then he can direct it if he needs to. Thank you. Mr. Premier.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, it still is a priority. When I was down in Ottawa just a couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago, myself and the Deputy Premier met with Minister Champagne, and we raised this. We had a good discussion about the need for it, about the cost of doing business in the territory, about the level of investment, and all those types of things that surround this type of initiative. The Minister was there, the deputy Minister was there, and other high-level officials from the Department of Finance. So we have made the case a number of times through a number of avenues and will continue to advocate for the North of 60 mineral exploration tax credit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's great news. I'm glad that this hasn't fallen off the agenda. But I'd like to know is the Council of Leaders behind the tax credit as well and can we marshall or combine that combined leadership caucus, get everyone on the same page in calling for this important economic tool to grow our economy and restore our mining decline? Thank you.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's a number of Indigenous governments that are in support of this. Whether there's an official position from the Council of Leaders, I'd have to go back and check my notes. And I never want to speak on behalf of the Council of Leaders. We are just one member. And, you know, when there's a group, the members don't like it when just one member speaks on behalf of the entire group. So I will say that there are -- there is support from Indigenous governments. In terms of the actual Council of Leaders, I will have to get back to the Member. Thank you.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Final supplementary. Member from Range Lake.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I look forward to receiving that back.

Finally, a former Premier have called for red alerts around federal inaction on our economy. Is the Premier willing to stand up and call for a red alert and insist that the North of 60 tax credit be implemented and drive the national narrative around northern mining in the hands -- in the leadership -- squarely in the leadership of the NWT and get us this tax credit and move forward in collaboration with all partners to grow our mining economy and reserve the decline? Thank you.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So this government has been in office for about five months, and they haven't released a budget yet, so I'd say it's a little premature to issue a red alert. We have had a much different relationship with this government. The conversations at the official's level, at the Ministers level, have been much more, I'd say, fruitful. There's been much more interest I have found. There's a real desire to advance the development of critical minerals and to make investments in the North that show the world that Canada is investing in the North in terms of sovereignty and security. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 792-20(1): North of 60 Mining Tax Credit
Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Colleagues, the time is up for oral questions. Follow-up to oral questions, Mr. Clerk.

Follow-up To Oral Questions
Follow-up To Oral Questions

Clerk Of The House Mr. Glen Rutland

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to Rule 7.2(7), I have received follow-up information for the following oral questions from the first session of the 20th Legislative Assembly. Oral question 682, 692, and 726. These follow-ups will be provided to Members and printed in full in today's Hansard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Follow-up To Oral Questions
Follow-up To Oral Questions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. Oral questions. Written questions. Returns to written questions. Replies to the Commissioner's address. Petitions. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Tabling of documents. Minister of Finance.

Tabled Document 385-20(1): 2026-2027 Capital Estimates Tabled Document 386-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures and Borrowing Authorization), No. 3, 2024-2025 Tabled Document 387-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026 Tabled Document 388-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026 Tabled Document 389-20(1): Fall 2025 Economic and Fiscal Update Tabled Document 390-20(1): Northern Employees Benefits Services (NEBS) Pension Plan Annual Report for the Year Ended December 31, 2024
Tabling Of Documents

Caroline Wawzonek

Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following six documents: 2026-2027 Capital Estimates; Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures and Borrowing Authorization), No. 3, 2024-2025; Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026; Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026; Fall 2025 Economic and Fiscal Update, and the Northern Employees Benefits Services (NEBS) Pension Plan Annual Report for the Year Ended December 31, 2024. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 385-20(1): 2026-2027 Capital Estimates Tabled Document 386-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures and Borrowing Authorization), No. 3, 2024-2025 Tabled Document 387-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026 Tabled Document 388-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures), No. 2, 2025-2026 Tabled Document 389-20(1): Fall 2025 Economic and Fiscal Update Tabled Document 390-20(1): Northern Employees Benefits Services (NEBS) Pension Plan Annual Report for the Year Ended December 31, 2024
Tabling Of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Finance. Tabling of documents. Mr. Premier.

Tabled Document 391-20(1): Additional Information for Follow-Up to Oral Question 692-20(1)
Tabling Of Documents

R.J. Simpson

R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Additional Information for Follow-up to Oral Question 692-20(1), Extended Health Benefits Program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 391-20(1): Additional Information for Follow-Up to Oral Question 692-20(1)
Tabling Of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Mr. Premier. Tabling of documents. Notices of motion. Noticing the time, colleagues, we need to give our translators a break. I will call a brief break.

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Tabled Document 391-20(1): Additional Information for Follow-Up to Oral Question 692-20(1)
Tabling Of Documents

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Colleagues, I call session back to order. Motions. Member from Range Lake -- or Yellowknife Centre.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

It can happen to anyone, Mr. Speaker. And even twice a day. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to read a motion.

Whereas Avens is a care community for elders and seniors based in Yellowknife that provides long-term care services for residents under contract with the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority (NTHSSA);

And whereas in August 2023, when the city of Yellowknife was under evacuation order, Avens was forced to evacuate 57 vulnerable residents, including some from long-term care facilities in Hay River and Fort Smith who were selected by the Government of the Northwest Territories for placement at Avens;

And whereas Avens was left with reduced staff due to additional demands from the Government of the Northwest Territories and was therefore unable to locate care sites and secure additional supports in order to maintain full services for its residents during their four weeks in the Edmonton/Leduc area;.

And whereas this work was done without financial assistance and resulted in Avens incurring over $1.3 million in evacuation costs to transport, house, and safely care for Avens residents;

And whereas a little over $900,000 was reimbursed to Avens under the Government of Canada's Disaster Financial Assistance Fund but the remaining balance of costs incurred has not been repaid by any government;

And whereas the Government of the Northwest Territories has refused to reimburse Avens the balance of the $400,000 which includes essential staffing costs dating back to the evacuation;

And whereas the 2023 Wildfire Emergency Response After-Action Review does not address compensating staff and incurring extraordinary operational expenses;

Now therefore I move, seconded by the Member for Sahtu, that the Legislative Assembly recommend that the Government of the Northwest Territories reimburse Avens $400,000 which is the portion of the costs incurred from their assistance to the government during the 2023 wildfire evacuation and it is not covered by the federal Disaster Assistance Fund;

And furthermore that the Government of the Northwest Territories, in its response to the 2023 Wildfire Emergency Response After-Action Review, provide guidelines on how to address remuneration of essential staff during an evacuation particularly for the non-governmental organizations providing contract services to the Government of the Northwest Territories;

And futhermore that the Government of the Northwest Territories respond to this motion within 120 days.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. Member from Range Lake.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

Kieron Testart

Kieron Testart Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to section 77(1) of the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, I'm informing the House of a conflict of interest in this motion as my wife is the chair of -- a chair of the board of Avens, the community for seniors. I shall withdraw from the proceedings accordingly to avoid this conflict. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Range Lake. Member from Yellowknife Centre.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I begin, I want to recognize the team from Avens that is in the gallery today. I named them all to the best I could earlier, but.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Oh, just one, sorry. I apologize.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

Robert Hawkins

Robert Hawkins Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, sir. And what important representation it is, may I point out.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to talk about how important this motion is to Avens but, in fairness, the motion is also important to all territorial partners that help ensure Northerners were well cared for during the 2023 evacuation. Let us not forget the important role that NGOs play in service to our northern people, our government, and any institution that they collaborate with. They are key partners to our northern success.

What an experience, Mr. Speaker. Like no others, you know very well yourself more than 50 percent of the NWT was evacuated during that experience. It was completely unreal, the work and stress this caused so many. But, Mr. Speaker, what was overlooked in any form is the everyday -- we can't overlook -- sorry -- in any form the everyday people who rose to the occasion during this absolute urgent crisis. Yes, as we look back, we can say Thank God our city wasn't razed and other communities weren't razed, Mr. Speaker.

So during that experience, so much had to be done and by so many as the fire was barreling down on this city and other towns, Mr. Speaker. In particular to Yellowknife, the city was under great duress. That fire could have jumped the line at any time. It could have turned back. Sure, that's a possibility, or it could have rained for several weeks. It didn't, though. And all we had were unknowns at the time when evacuation was ordered. Unknowns, Mr. Speaker.

So Avens, an agency such as themselves, had to make decisions, and they had to make responsible decisions. And in my opinion, they did. Hindsight is always 20/20. So I repeat: They had to make decisions given what information that they knew at the time. So when you're faced with choices that are limited and unclear, you have to do your best.

Mr. Speaker, Avens was this government's crucial partner during the crisis caring for the most vulnerable. I say clearly, this government because why is this government? Because in my view, it's always the same government. The faces of leadership change, that's true, but it is the consistent policy as it moves forward. It's the foundation of how we do business here. It may be the same government, but it evolves over time. So I'm talking about not just this government and the previous government.

So who is responsible? This government, Mr. Speaker.

So where are we today? Avens has made choices. They had to make choices in absence of any clear direction, policy, instructions, Mr. Speaker. They had to do their best. And, again, I think they did do their best. Now the problem is didn't -- but it didn't come was -- was the instructions until later. Government wants to share the responsibility, Mr. Speaker, by telling Avens they are now responsible for these costs. But, Mr. Speaker, that is completely unfair. This, moreover, is why we're here dealing with this particular disappointment today.

Mr. Speaker, Avens has been treated unfairly. Could you imagine any other community or any other NGO being left to hold the bag on a government responsibility and instructions to leave with your people, our most vulnerable, with no details as to how to do it? No limits, no parameters, Mr. Speaker.

Avens has always been a vital NGO that serves the lifeline of seniors across this territory. And in many ways, I feel it's shameful that we've allowed this dedicated organization to be left hanging at this point. Their plight is quite stressful, and it's unfortunate that it's here on the floor today. It didn't need to be.

Mr. Speaker, I personally find it unacceptable that the government continues to cite guidelines that were introduced post-mortem to the disaster as reasons for refusing the legitimate staffing costs. Mr. Speaker, this motion and this issue is all about fairness. And the problem is fairness is being denied.

Mr. Speaker, we must not allow changes in policy after the fact influence the outcome. Mr. Speaker, we must deal with the reality of what they were facing during that day, including the instructions, or I should say lack thereof.

Mr. Speaker, the facts are clear: Avens, a territorial seniors advocacy group and a long-term care provider, was thrusted into an impossible situation during the wildfire season. Mr. Speaker, there was no support, again no guidelines, no assistance from the government. It was merely just, Here you go. Avens organized its own plane. But guess what? Somebody came and commandeered it. That would be NTHSSA. Mr. Speaker, they were struggling to find a way to get out. A plane did finally come, and they did get out.

Mr. Speaker, this is very important. They had done work, the government took their plane, and then they had to find their own way. There's a cost and expenses seniors and elders in vulnerable care are challenging to deal with. A lot of work has to go into this.

This is an insane reality to consider, Mr. Speaker, especially when in those days, even the hours before the evacuation, the GNWT was still sending seniors over who were stranded from one evacuation area to the other. They were still receiving people. Everyone was fully aware how challenging this would be but dumping the weight on -- dumping the weight, but what's important, a significant weight and expectation, costs, and managing on this NGO is no less than a Herculean task.

Now, thankfully, Avens at the time has both the talent and help and ability to help manage through this crisis otherwise I don't even want to speculate where we would have been. Mr. Speaker, the fact is seniors would have been put into some risk. I dare not guess how far.

So to be clear, Avens arranged its own transportation, which is a little more challenging than you can think than organizing a minor hockey team, Mr. Speaker, or a little more trickier than organizing 60 useful players full of sugar on a soccer bus trip for a ride for six hours. This is a difficult undertaking. We're talking about people of the greatest of need. And I can't stress that. Specialized care, Mr. Speaker, crucial equipment. It's not that easy. None of these things would have been easy to do. I can't even imagine where you would start your undertaking of your logistics of planning this. This was challenging.

Now, Mr. Speaker, to be fair, the government did help on the return logistics, but then, again, they helped everyone on the return logistics three weeks later. So that was -- in all fairness, they did help with that. But it was still undertaken largely and the expenses all fell on the shoulders of Avens. However, as we need to move forward, this was done by Avens in the sense of helping them. They were being our important partner.

So let's be frank. This was part of a broader effort to assist individuals that Avens was trying to support, Mr. Speaker. Important residents needed the specialized care, and that cost money. So I mention this today just in case this government wants to take a more broader picture about how this gesture of what they've done to this organization sends ripple effects. We have capable hands who rose to the occasion, Some may even say heroic efforts, and yet they feel years later it's been nothing but a struggle. The good deeds and duty they rose to has been ignored.

Mr. Speaker, they are not asking for anything that isn't fair. What they've been told by the government is they must absorb the costs that the government dumped on them. It was Avens responsibility according to the government. But, frankly, Mr. Speaker, if you talk to Avens, they've been saddled with costs that they really, really shouldn't have. To cover these real expenses, that's all they're asking for, Mr. Speaker. Avens has been forced to take out a second mortgage. Mr. Speaker, it's shameful that this organization is now having to mortgage one of their paid-down buildings to navigate through this financial crisis. This is a new burden that the government has offloaded on this NGO. Can you imagine if this was a problem in Inuvik that an NGO was told you have to pay? Could you imagine if this was a problem in Fort Smith? I mean, we'd be up in arms. Mr. Speaker, don't treat this NGO a terrible -- in an I'd say a biased way. It deserves the respect, the years of partnership it's represented in this community and our territory.

Now, we're suggesting there are ways to figure this out. But, Mr. Speaker, the problem is not Avens anymore; it really should be the GNWT. It's deeply troubling how this reflects poorly on our commitment to organizations that rise to the occasion to support our most vulnerable citizens. Mr. Speaker, this service couldn't be done cheaper by the government. So in other words, my view is -- and I feel that it's so frustrating when you see the value for the -- the value the government gets by going to an NGO and yet here they are told you've got to pay more. It's so unfair.

Mr. Speaker, the accountability and transparency on this issue is where we're going next. Avens was one of the very first organizations in the NWT to compile lessons learned and action plans for future disaster situations, particularly those affecting the most vulnerable sector. This proactive approach should have been met with encouragement and collaboration from our government. It's not a blame exercise, Mr. Speaker; it's about thinking forward and thinking. Let's be honest, these things probably will happen again, whether they're in Yellowknife or not. Look no further than Fort Providence this summer. They had a major evacuation, and we need to ask ourselves what rules are we playing by? Are they updated? Are they fair, Mr. Speaker?

But this government hasn't even acknowledged the work that has been done and what it costs and certainly what they found after their clear and fair assessment. Mr. Speaker, this needs to be reviewed. When agencies invest time and their resources into providing thoughtful and professional recommendations, they should not be met with silence on top of ignoring the moral and ethical financial responsibilities. Ignoring and shelving these vital suggestions sends a message from this government that you're truly not valued, your expertise or insights are not necessary.

In my view, it's shameful, Mr. Speaker. We talk about caring for our vulnerable population while failing to act on varied recommendations they're trying to offer to help improve the system and things that will help save lives.

I am proud to stand here and support Avens because they really do make a community difference. They're accountable, they're transparent, they have a healthy board, they manage their finances well. I mean, you know, their residents are happy. Not everyone's happy every day, that's real life, but the fact is they love Avens. They recognize the work that is there. They recognize that every institution has challenges. And I'd say the overall community loves and is very proud of the work that's done at Avens. And I would say that that is a gold standard that we need to live by. Yet it comes down to what is meaningful to act here. We need to support this. Sitting silently while this happens is unfair. We must not allow the legitimate financial responsibility to pass us by.

Mr. Speaker, we could change this today. Honestly, we could. All the government needs to do is say we will find a way. And they could do that. They could say that. And I would welcome that. Mr. Speaker, I implore the Members to keep that in mind, that all we have to do is say yes. I understand there will be pressures from our community members about feeling this may be a Yellowknife issue. And I understand that. You have concerns too. And I understand perspectives of the communities and why you need to do what you need to do. I do respect that. But, Mr. Speaker, look at this: Avens is not just a Yellowknife issue; it's a territorial tragedy.

Mr. Speaker, again, they were sent people who were in long-term extended supportive care from Fort Smith, Hay River to Yellowknife. But it doesn't end there. Avens is also where it looks after many elders and seniors from every region of the territory, some from the top of the Mackenzie Delta down through the Sahtu to the Deh Cho. Avens welcomes anybody. And they help provide care, kindness, and dignity support, so those folks, no matter where they're from, get the best life and supports as they reach the final chapter of their lives.

Mr. Speaker, living with full dignity is one of the mandates that Avens has. Now, I'm not reading their mandate letter; I can just tell you by being on the ground there, they make sure everyone feels empowered and has the most dignity as possible. And that support runs true through all the staff. That quality of life in those final days is so important.

Mr. Speaker, we need to say yes. This House needs to get behind our seniors, elders, and vulnerable people. And we can do that today. So, again, if you feel it's not part of your constituency, ask yourself what if this very example happened to yours? You'd want that wrong righted today.

Mr. Speaker, I look to this government and say to them seize this moment and remember your promise to support our elders and seniors. What may be subtle here today is many people in history down the road may not know that the contribution you're making to this motion, but deep down inside you'll know that you've supported seniors. And that should help warm all our souls as we protect that community. Mr. Speaker, yes, there may not be a placard of every one of our names on this building that said we fought for that 400K that Avens was deserved, but deep down inside, as I said, we know what we did was right, and we know we did it together. And that includes Cabinet. You can do what's right too.

Mr. Speaker, in closing here, what the community is asking is only about fairness. And we can do this together. There's a measure of accountability and compassion that could be taken in action today, and I need your help, everyone's help here. You know, we need to rise, just like Avens, to the occasion. When faced down with troubling challenges, they did the right thing and we need to do the right thing by them. They deserve our support, nothing less.

Mr. Speaker, our vulnerable citizens mean a lot to me, and I feel that we need to make sure that gets demonstrated here. Mr. Speaker, this is just a rounding error as far as the government's budget is concerned. I think we could do better. And I'm not even saying shame, shame, you owe them an apology. I'm just saying write the cheque to fill the hole that they've been left with, Mr. Speaker.

With our collective support, this government will show Avens we care about them and we care about their commitment, Mr. Speaker. And finally, the important thing here, this also sends a message to every one of our community organizations that we don't leave them hanging when the government comes crawling and saying we need you now. How would they feel otherwise watching this example that's happened to Avens? So in the memory of everybody who committed themselves with the fullness of honour and zeal and commitment, I thank them for what they did in the 2023 fire evacuation. Let us fulfil. That thanks by showing them that the money is there to pay for their costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker -- oh, and, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking for a recorded vote. Thank you very much.

Motion 61-20(1): Remuneration of Essential Staff During an Evacuation, Carried
Motions

The Speaker

The Speaker Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre. To the motion. Member from Inuvik Boot Lake.