This is page numbers 1275 - 1321 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was questions.

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Minister's Statement 127-13(3): New High School Course: Fox Trapping In Nunavut
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Ministers' statement. Members' statement. Members' statement, Mr. Evaloarjuk.

Member's Statement 345-13(3): The Need To Improve Flight Services In The Baffin Region
Item 3: Members' Statements

October 17th, 1996

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I acknowledge the transportation benefits we can access with First Air and I am very proud that this is an Inuit owned airline serving the Baffin region, however, this company has become too corporate minded as it is the only airline serving the particular region - the area in the road between the communities of Hall Beach, Pond Inlet and Igloolik. Perhaps if there was much needed competition in the airline industry at this time, services could be improved.

The rates have also become too high.

Perhaps a service that involves passengers only could be introduced in our region. Too often passengers are getting bumped off because of lack of seats for these three communities of Amittuq. Currently this airline has direct route between the traditionally close communities of Igloolik, Hall Beach and Pond Inlet. As a further inconvenience to get back and forth between these two communities, each trip includes a stop over Iqaluit both ways.

As I mentioned, these communities are traditionally linked and relatives are spread out in each settlement. In the event of death, families have to put together their own money, which is costly enough without the exuberation of Iqaluit stop over being included in the high rates of air travel. It is important that families have easier access to transportation that enables them to visit one another. I would encourage some healthy competition and services from Air Baffin and First Air in the Baffin to try new, direct flights from my region.

I would like to state between the routes of Hall Beach and Igloolik, there is a one hour stop over, and if I were to go to Pond Inlet returning to Igloolik, I would have to sleep over night in Iqaluit and travel to Pond Inlet the next day. This is what I wanted to indicate to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 345-13(3): The Need To Improve Flight Services In The Baffin Region
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The Speaker

Thank you. Members' statement, Mr. Miltenberger.

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just before I start my statement, I would just like to commend some of the Members for the efforts they are making in increasing the quality of ties in this Assembly, bringing some colour and a little bit of life into this sombre place where men are relegated to funeral colours of brown, grey and blue. I recognize Mr. O'Brien, for instance, very, very good effort. Mr. Todd as well. ? and paisley. If he just had his bell bottoms on he would be right at home.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Yellowknife North has spoken often and ...

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Just to remind the Members that Members' statement is very clear on the type of statements that you make in the House, and under the item Members' statement, a Member may make a statement on any matter. The speaker may order a Member, who makes improper use of his Members' statement, to take his or her seat. Statements made under the rules shall not exceed two and a half minutes, shall be confined to one matter, and one matter only; shall be limited to one statement per day by any member. Have you concluded your statement on the quorum in this matter?

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Ms. Speaker, I believe I can tie my comments in to the point I want to make, and it is a very serious one, and it is the ties that are necessary as we move into the 21st century on the issue of mine training. And that kind of ties ...

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
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The Speaker

I would like to remind the members that when you make your statement you keep it to one item and one matter only. I will allow you to make your statement Mr. Miltenberger because I do not know if you know like make short comments before your statement ... you can not make two comments because it is going to be looked, viewed as two statements. Mr. Miltenberger, to your Members' statement.

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank you for your indulgence and flexibility. Twice today with shirts and now with this, thank you.

Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Yellowknife North has spoken in this House about the need for NWT residents to be able to take advantage of the many opportunities in the mining industry. Just yesterday he talked about the need for a mining institute.

Mr. Speaker, I agree whole heartedly. We do need a way to train northerners for the jobs mining can provide. I also think we should be providing the training for a full range of opportunities in the natural resources sector. Not just mining, but also oil and gas. Is there a need for brand new buildings to provide this training? No. As the government of a territory, we do not need to build new infrastructure for natural resource training. Industry representatives have said what is important is not a fancy facility. What is important is to develop a centre of knowledge and learning here in the North.

We have the administrative organization in place to provide this training already through Aurora College. Thebacha campus with the support of existing government infrastructure in Fort Smith could easily accommodate a mine training program. Aurora Campus in Inuvik is similarly ready to provide part of the program directed to oil and gas exploration. Training can be delivered in other communities from these two bases of operation.

Mr. Speaker, on November 7, we are doing something concrete in order to try to establish programs northerners need. On that day, I will be co-hosting along with Aurora College a mine training symposium in Fort Smith. Representatives from our colleges, the mining industry and other interested people will be meeting to lay the plans to make the natural resources department of Aurora College a reality.

Mr. Speaker, I hope as a result of this symposium to which a number of MLAs and ministers have been invited, that I hope the result of this symposium, the Minister of Culture, Education and Employment will be in this House early in the new year, announcing the establishment of the Aurora College Natural Resources Program. Thank you.

Member's Statement 346-13(3): Infrastructure For NWT Mine Training Program
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statement, Mr. Henry. Mr. Henry?

Member's Statement 347-13(3): Principles And Meaning Of Democracy
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not think there is anyone here who would disagree that Canada is the best place in the world to live. People in the United Nations think so. The fact that Canada is a democracy is probably the single most important factor in Canada being such a wonderful nation, but it is a factor that we often take for granted. I think it would be worthwhile to review exactly what being a democracy means.

Democracy is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as: "Government by the people, a form of government in which the powers reside in the people and is exercised by them either directly or by means as elected representatives. A form of society which favours equal rights, the ignoring of hereditary class distinctions, the tolerance of minority views".

While the concept of democracy originated in Greece it's feel expression in the modern era arose from the American revolution, 220 years ago. The principles adopted by the new American nation are, with minor variations, those which have been democracies around the world, including Canada.

The Declaration of Independence summarizes beautifully what democracy really means. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Democracy, in short, is a system of government where people exercise power. As part of Canada we in the Northwest Territories also govern ourselves according to democratic principles. Important decisions about the governing of the Northwest Territories are made by the people. Most often these decisions are made by elected representatives, especially the Members of this House.

The decisions of great importance are best left to people themselves to decide without intermediaries. This is why we have referendums and plebiscites. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Member's Statement 347-13(3): Principles And Meaning Of Democracy
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The Speaker

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his

statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays, Mr. Henry, you have unanimous consent.

Member's Statement 347-13(3): Principles And Meaning Of Democracy
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We all recognize that the division of the Northwest Territories in 1999 is a fundamental change to the make up of our country. For the first time in fifty years the map of Canada will change. While the views and opinions of elected representatives have been important in the road to division...two very crucial decisions where northerners entrusted only to the people of the Northwest Territories. The decision about whether to divide at all and end the decision about where to divide were both too important and too far-reaching to leave to elected representatives, alone.

These decisions could be made through the free equal and democratic vote of all northerners. We now come to another such critical decisions. The constitution that will be established for the new western territory will be of critical importance to the democratic development of the government of this part of Canada, and therefore, as with the division and boundary issues it is too important to be left solely to the elected representatives of the people. While our views and opinions will be very important, the final decision must be left to the people.

That is why I appreciate the reassurance of the Honourable Premier, yesterday, in responding to concerns that my Honourable colleague from Nunakput, the Premier outlined the principles that will guide the ratification of a new constitution and his response, the democratic process, to bring in legislation on the ratification of the constitution and the principle of one person, one vote, which is a direct consequence of the principle that all people are created equal. These are critical principles of democracy that we must abide by in order to retain the confidence of the people of the Northwest Territories.

The next few months will be crucial in this process. The famous British author, Huxley, once said, the survival of democracy depends on the ability of large numbers of people to make realistic choices in the light of adequate information. While I have the faith in the ability of all residents of the western territory to be able to make a realistic choice in the matter of a new constitution.

Over the next few months beginning with the release of the proposed draft of the constitution last Wednesday, we will ensure that all residents of the new western territory will indeed have that adequate information to permit them to make a choice which will guide their government for decades to come.

I look forward to the day when all adult residents of the western territory will vote to decide how they will be governed. I thank the Premier for reassuring my colleagues, that all northerners, that the principle of democracy are now, and always in will remain, the foundation of our structure of government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 347-13(3): Principles And Meaning Of Democracy
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members' Statement, Mr. Rabesca.

Members Statement 348-13(3): First Anniversary Of The Election Of The 13th Assembly
Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker today is the last day of the Third Session of the 13th Assembly. There is also two days past the anniversary of our election. In the time since our election we have grown and become more confident in our positions. This has certainly been evident during these last sessions, with all Members becoming more active during the discussions and committee meetings, as well, here in the Chamber.

I think we have done a good job representing our constituents, as well as, our (inaudible) government responsibilities (inaudible), to the concerns, our recommendations. Over the next few months we will continue to provide constituents with our voice here in the Chamber as well as working on the many issues that we face. The western Territory now has a draft constitution that needs to be discussed and ratified.

We also have the deficit that must be brought under control and the organizations of the departments, to name a few. These are difficult times we are in but we must be diligent to take care of the people that we represent. It is our job to ensure that constituency issues are heard and responded to. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Members Statement 348-13(3): First Anniversary Of The Election Of The 13th Assembly
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' Statement, Mr. Picco.

Member's Statement 349-13(3): Future Reductions And Difficulties Facing The 13th Assembly
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the large debt of the past will have to be paid for over the life of the 13th Assembly. The MLA's of the 13th Assembly have inherited an unlucky number and task. When I review some of the potential $100,000,000 in cuts that we have announced that will have to be done over the next 12 months, I get sick to my stomach.

I was not elected to inflict pain on my constituents, my friends, my neighbours, my family, but I do realize that we have to take the pain now so that our children will not pay in the future for said large debt.

My Speaker, I have only been home four days since September 16th. I will not get home to my family before November 1st. It is very difficult to concentrate at the job at hand, when you worry about your wife, and family. While, I was elected to do this job and I have done the best that I could have, even though some hon. colleagues prefer that I would not ask any questions, or wear funny shirts. Well, it also comes with this territory.

Over the next two weeks as we review the business plans of this government and reflect on what we will be doing, I want to assure my constituents and the people of the Northwest Territories that this work is not taken lightly by any Member, and for the two people who came to see me last night at my apartment I understand your frustration, and concern, as I said before, when Mike Harris lays off 30,000 people in Ontario he does not know them, he does not see them everyday like this Assembly does. When I shop at The Bay and buy my groceries I see the affected people. We as MLA's see these people, they are our friends, relatives, and neighbours.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to seeing my family and relatives when I return home finally on the 1st of November. The soul searching will continue, Mr. Speaker, but we cannot micro-manage the budget or cuts, but we can, at least, reflect and adjust our plans to take into account the logistic and administrative realities of the day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 349-13(3): Future Reductions And Difficulties Facing The 13th Assembly
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' Statement, Mrs. Groenewegen.

Member's Statement 350-13(3): Dress And Decorum In The Chamber
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is Friday today and do not usually take the opportunity to take a lighter note, but, today I would like to comment on my view from my assigned seat in this House. I am certain that election results in no way pertain or have any bearing on one's looks; however, like Mr. Miltenberger, I would like to commend my colleagues on the other side of the House for their attention to grooming and apparel decorum. When I become bored with their words, which is hardly ever, of course, I can admire their choice of presentation which is second to none, and I would particularly like to comment on the efforts and measures recently taken by my Honourable colleague from Iqaluit, who, tie or no tie, is looking very dapper, of late.

He returned to this House very proud of a new wardrobe, new contact lenses, and the dawning of a new lapel pin, which verifies his recent induction into the Order of Knights of Templer of Balderdash Chapter One. I hope all Members of this House will agree that Mr. Picco is a candidate for the cover of the GQ Magazine. (Laughter). I appreciate, as I know, does the media, obviously, that Mr. Picco's efforts to enhance my view in this House are greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 350-13(3): Dress And Decorum In The Chamber
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. Members' statement, Mr. Kakfwi.

Member's Statement 351-13(3): Acceptance Of Differences And New Ideas
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as I was saying yesterday I wanted to speak about not being afraid of new ideas, not being afraid of confronting our fears when we deal with new ideas and when we have to come face-to-face with people we do not know. As I was saying yesterday in 1977 my daughter who was around six at that time, after spending a week long hunting trip with me down the Mackenzie River between Providence and Fort Good Hope, then flew down to southwestern Ontario, with her mother. For the first time in her young life she had an occasion to meet a number of her cousins and at that time I believe, she was still quite oblivious to the fact of being different from the rest of her cousins, at least, visually, and her young cousins having never seen what you would call a life, real Indian, except on T.V., or movies and comics, were quite worried when they heard that their young cousin's father was due to arrive there in a couple of days, and that he was, in fact, an Indian.

There was some apprehension and I think, I recall anyway, being told that my daughter sensing all this...the following day, finally announced quite loudly to everyone as if sensing that they needed some assurance said, "Don't worry, my dad doesn't shoot people, he just shoots ducks." Thank you.

Member's Statement 351-13(3): Acceptance Of Differences And New Ideas
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Member's statement. Mr. Ningark.

Member's Statement 352-13(3): Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses In Pelly Bay
Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a letter here from the Koomiut Co-op in Pelly Bay, signed by the Co-op manager, regarding the sale of GNWT staff houses. Mr. Speaker, you will remember, about two weeks ago I made a statement regarding the Gjoa Haven Development Council Corporation wanting to acquire the GNWT houses, thereby leasing them to the GNWT employees. We have met with the Minister of Finance during the summer. A representative from the Hamlet of Pelly Bay has met with the Minister of Finance, wanting to acquire the government staff houses, and lease them to the current government employees in the community of Pelly Bay.

Since that time, a new development has come out in Pelly Bay. Now the Co-op is interested in acquiring the staff houses. Mr. Minister has indicated because of the legislation, regardless of the regulation, the hamlet may not be qualified or eligible to acquire the GNWT houses, and lease them to the employees. Mr. Speaker, later on, at the appropriate time, I will be posing a question to the appropriate Minister. If the hamlet is eligible, given that the rules apply, if the development corporation in the communities are eligible to purchase government houses, can the co-op in the community apply? Does the same rule apply to the co-ops in the communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 352-13(3): Sale Of GNWT Staff Houses In Pelly Bay
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Member's statement. Mr. Ootes.

Member's Statement 353-13(3): New User Pay/user Say Mail System
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am trying to get used to our new user say/user pay system, Mr. Speaker. It is with regards to our new mail system. I am trying to sort out in my mind how this works. We used to have a very simple system. You either put a stamp on, or you do not put a stamp on, and you take it to the central system. What is happening, it seems, is that if I write my name on the left hand side, and I take it to our central system, then I understand that it will be processed. I understand that a company will pick it up, they will put a stamp on it, and then they will bill me for the stamp. I understand, too, if I put a stamp on it, it seems we have done

that, and the envelope comes back to me. I understand I am not allowed to do that. So my EA has been kind of sneaking the envelopes in his jacket pocket, and walking it down to the post office. I guess my concern, Mr. Speaker, is, could we not just put a post office box outside the building here, and also clarify the system that we have. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 353-13(3): New User Pay/user Say Mail System
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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Member's statement. Mr. Antoine.