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The Need To Explore Alternatives To Civil Service Lay-offs
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to follow up on comments made today by my honourable colleague, Mr. Picco, MLA for Iqaluit. Mr. Picco spoke about lay-offs in the civil service, an issue that is close to many people in my riding. Many of my constituents are government employees who fear they will lose their jobs to cut-backs or division. Others are business owners who fear the local economy will shrink for the same reasons.

Mr. Speaker, we must wrestle with the territorial debt. The civil service cannot expect to escape this process and jobs will be cut. However, I think Mr. Picco raised an excellent point when he asked whether we were doing enough to offer alternatives to lay-offs. For example, the Nunavut Implementation Commission's second report, Footprints 2 contains recommendations for sharing the benefits of a few jobs as

widely as possible. Footprints 2 talks about strategies like job-sharing and flex time. I agree with Mr. Picco when he says we need to explore options when dealing with cuts to the civil service.

Mr. Speaker, government employees have few reasons today to feel optimistic, especially these days. That lack of optimism affects the efficiency and operation of this government and, as a result, all people throughout the Northwest Territories. We are the architects of fiscal restraint policies but we are not its immediate targets and we have a responsibility to investigate alternatives to lay-offs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Need To Explore Alternatives To Civil Service Lay-offs
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This current government is being faced with many difficult decisions which will impact the people of the Northwest Territories for years to come. We are having to deal with such important issues as division, a new constitution, large-scale development and, less we forget, our deficit which is having a negative impact on many, many lives.

Mr. Speaker, the timing for us could not be worse. The task seems insurmountable. We are forced to resolve these issues for our residents and hopefully make the Northwest Territories a better place for all peoples. I am beginning to feel a sense of great distaste for some decisions that are being made. In a time when we should be unifying our people, we seem to be doing the opposite. We are degrading and dividing the people we are supposed to be representing.

This government has chosen to adopt a very paternalistic approach to aboriginal people which will only divide aboriginal and non-aboriginal. I draw attention to the socio-economic agreement this government has signed with BHP and the draft constitution as two examples of this approach. The socio-economic agreement contains clauses which require the company to hire certain percentages of aboriginals and northerners.

While I agree with the requirements to having a strong northern workforce, I have a question, Mr. Speaker -- what business is it of this government to require private companies to follow any form of affirmative action policy? Requirements such as this cannot help but degrade aboriginal people. We have aboriginal people who are more than capable of getting jobs on an equal footing to their fellow northerners. We have to stop telling aboriginal people by such statements, that they are not good enough. Is this what we are telling them when we protect jobs for them? You are not good enough to compete?

This can only cause racial disharmony and prejudice between the very people we are supposed to represent as a government. We have to have harmony among our people and we must do all we can to ensure that harmony in the future. We cannot afford to be prejudiced any longer and risk losing what we have gained.

The draft constitution has also raised feelings amongst our citizens of racial division. As a government, we cannot afford to sit back and allow our people to be divided along these lines. If we do, as a government, we will lose one of our responsibilities. One message that is coming back loud and clear is that this draft constitution does not give the people of the Northwest Territories an equal say. We are a government which is supposed to represent all its peoples. Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The member for Yellowknife South is seeking the unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent Mr. Henry.

Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are a government which is supposed to represent all its people and I say that the time has now come that we stand up and be a government for all. We have no business dictating government policies in the public sector any more than we have business endorsing a constitution which will forever divide people in the Northwest Territories. This, Mr. Speaker, is totally irresponsible of the government and I urge my fellow members to endorse only that which will provide equality for every citizen. We cannot afford racism to become another issue and, if we do, it will be far beyond any solution this government can find. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Concerns Regarding The Western Constitutional Proposal
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Recommendations Made By Royal Commission
Item 3: Members' Statements

November 28th, 1996

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples was released. It took five years to produce. The prime minister Brian Mulroney commissioned a $58 million enquiry after the 1990 Oka crisis in Quebec. The 4000 page document offers a 20 year plan and 440 recommendations to improve aboriginal lives in Canada. Already the federal government gave an appropriate response last Thursday to the report. Officials have given the five volume report and warned -- by native leaders across Canada who feel the report was quickly shelved and seriously doubted that any of the recommendations will ever be implemented.

The report confirms what every native person already knows all too well, that the majority of aboriginal people in Canada are at a clear disadvantage to the average Canadian. Here in the Northwest Territories, correction centres report, in March 1996, a 90 percent native admittance in the rate of sentenced crimes. The cost of taxpayers to keep one inmate locked up is approximately $80,000 a year. Health and social services clearly states that it is looking at developing new approaches to alcohol and drug program and intense community control, independency, and self reliance. The Gwich'in Nation has recently developed a new approach to alcohol and drug programming through the development of the Tl'oondih Healing camp outside Fort McPherson. This is the first healing camp ever designed and delivered especially by native groups in Canada. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Recommendations Made By Royal Commission
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko, you have unanimous consent.

Recommendations Made By Royal Commission
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Hon. Kelvin Ng, Minister of Health and Social Services has stated that his department will not give core funding to the Tl'oondih Healing Society but, ironically, funds other similar programs up to $1 million a year. Furthermore, future funding for other facilities in Mackenzie Delta such as the Knute Lang Learning and Development Correction Centre that was promised to Aklavik and other similar communities were recently cancelled. This

again, sheds some light on the government's commitment to First Nation's government in recognition of trying to resolve aboriginal problems between especially in relations to corrections and alcohol and drugs. The annual loss to the economy will be 11 billion dollars by the year 2000. 16 at the current trend of overlooking depreciated social conditions of First Nations people in Canada. We will have to let the politicians, Government of Canada, other political organizations to realize this problem has to be resolved today. For what we do today will save money in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Recommendations Made By Royal Commission
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Journey Towards Division
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are faced with two difficult jobs which must be done at the same time and that must not be allowed to destroy each other. We are on a direct and rapidly moving journey to the division of the Northwest Territories into two territories. We are also, by our own legislation, bound to reduce this government's deficit so that these two territories will start with a balanced budget.

Mr. Speaker, either of these two jobs are very large and difficult to accomplish alone, to deal with both at the same time is more than doubly so. It is easy to believe that dividing something is to break it, to damage it and to make something worse. Our job, Mr. Speaker, is to show the people that we are creating new things that are, at least, as valuable as the ones they replace. We need to the wisdom of Solomon, who make experience in deciding about the division of assets, and we need the patience, the determination and open honesty to our aboriginal brothers if we are to complete both of these jobs successfully. I welcome the Premier's recognition of division as the number one priority for this government. We must ensure that the division process does not become a poor relative of the budget reduction process. We must make sure that the cutting of the budget is an open and fair process, clearly understood and accepted by the people of the Northwest Territories.

I see that we are counting the days of the division publicly. In the great hall outside of this chamber, this week, marks the beginning of the final journey to the destination. We are in a unique situation of being passengers and pilots at the same time. I would like to wish us all a safe and satisfying trip. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

Journey Towards Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Members' statements, Mr. Miltenberger.

Holiday Greetings
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have many weighty issues before us as we have heard demonstrated in the last few days in the house. Concerns raised, issues with division and the budget. This is a short sitting so I would just like to take my few minutes today to maybe to take our mind off that issue, just for a minute. The Yuletide season is upon us and we are going to be leaving here soon. This may be our last day in sitting before the Christmas and New Year. So, I would like to take this opportunity to wish the people of the Northwest Territories, my constituents and my family and of course, my colleagues and the staff a very happy and safe Christmas and New Year and my hope for the New Year is that we can continue to move forward to deal with some of these many issues in a cooperative way to get us to 1999, united and with a decent budget but that we will have to continue to work together. So I would like to wish you all the very best. Thank you, very much.

Holiday Greetings
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements, Mr. Roland.

Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I start off by sending greetings back home to my family. Mr. Speaker, I have mentioned at times in this House about the way we do business as a government and I ask myself, and in these areas, what is empowerment when it comes to the way we do business? Are we truly empowering the people of our communities, how they do their work? Are we empowering the paraments within our communities away from headquarters to be able to get the job done efficiently and effectively?

Recently, I have heard concerns being raised in our community, since we started travelling down this course of budget reductions and a community empowerment. Some departments within the community are saying that Yellowknife is actually taking back, not speaking of the city, but headquarters is taking back, some of the controls. I have some concern with that when we talk about empowering our communities, about letting the people make the decisions in our communities. We say on one hand but on the other we make sure the knot is good and tight and we, as politicians here, are seeming to be the ones that lead the charge, we are the ones pushing for the change that is happening or the change that is not happening.

I think, Mr. Speaker, that we, as politicians, have to rise to the occasion and let people know that, yes, we are going to make some change and sometimes it takes a little while to get that change happening in the way we would like to see it happen but I think we, as politicians, need to start telling our staff, our hierarchy, especially in headquarters that community empowerment means just that. Communities, people in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Concerns Regarding The Implementation Of Community Empowerment
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' statements. Members' statements - returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin.

Return To Question 10-13(4): Cost Of Heating Oil And Gasoline In Snare Lakes
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return, asked by Mr. Rabesca on November 27, Snare Lake fuel costs. The cost of fuel is particularly high in Snare Lake because of the cost of the winter resupply. The winter road to Snare Lake is connected to the government's winter road system by 100 kilometre trail that is built by the private sector. The cost of transporting goods on this stretch road is added to the cost of all materials brought in over the trail. This means the costs of all goods in Snare Lakes, including petroleum products, was higher than the surrounding communities. Fuel

prices in the communities supplied by the government are subsidized in the amount of approximately 6.7 million. However, I agree there is a need to rationalize the price structure to eliminate some of the inconsistency in fuel prices between the communities. Mr. Arlooktoo has agreed to review the price structure in the spring of 1997 in conjunction with the privatization initiative, to see if there is a way to lessen the burden on the communities, such as Snare Lakes. Thank you.

Return To Question 10-13(4): Cost Of Heating Oil And Gasoline In Snare Lakes
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions, Mr. Antoine.

Return To Question 11-13(4): Grounding Of Cruise Ship Near Gjoa Haven
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. On Wednesday, November 27, 1996, the member for Natilikmiot asked me about the grounding, this summer, of the M.V. Hanseatic in the Simpson strait off King William island and Gjoa Haven. The member was correct that the jurisdiction over marine affairs belongs entirely to the federal government and does not involve the territorial Department of Transportation. Regardless of the legal jurisdiction, the incident took place in northern waters and northerners have every interest in knowing what happened. The Hanseatic went aground on the Simpson strait on August 29th and was caught there until the Canadian coast guard pulled her off on September 5th. Fortunately no serious consequences came of the grounding. No passengers or crew were injured and there was no loss of fuel or any other type of contaminants. It is still too soon to answer the member's question on the cause of the accident.

There are no fewer than four investigations in progress today. Transport Canada is investigating to determine, first of all, whether the accident involved any regulatory violations or infractions, and secondly, if there were any violations, whether prosecution is warranted. Transport Canada should finish this investigation early in the new year. The Canadian Transport Accidents Investigation Safety Board is examining the accident to identify the conditions and circumstances that led to it. Due to the nature of its investigation, the Transportation Safety Board typically does not come out with its final report and recommendations until a year or more after the event. The Hanseatic is registered in the Bahamas and therefore the Commonwealth of Bahamas is conducting its own investigation into the incident. The Federal Republic of Germany is also investigating the incident because the Hanseatic is owned by a German company and officers in charge of the ship, as well as, most of the passengers were German. I do not know when the findings from these investigations will be available, Mr. Speaker.

We will probably find the report from the Transportation Safety Board the most informative and we will simply have to wait for it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 11-13(4): Grounding Of Cruise Ship Near Gjoa Haven
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine. Returns to oral questions, Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 24-13(4): Approval Of 1997-98 Main Estimates
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a further return to Question 24-13(4) asked by the honourable Member for Yellowknife South. I can inform the Members of this House that no lay-offs related to the 1997-98 budget will occur until after the main estimates are approved by this Assembly, this winter. It is important to note, however, that some employees may receive notice of lay-off prior to the approval of the budget. The provisions of the collective agreement entitle employees to a 90 day lay-off notice and these notices will have to be sent out over the next several months to ensure that all aspects of the budget can be implemented on April 1, 1997.

Final decision to implement specific measures are, of course, dependent on the decision of the Assembly with respect to the 1997-98 main estimates that will be considered during the winter session. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 24-13(4): Approval Of 1997-98 Main Estimates
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Todd.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the comments made by my colleague earlier today, and the need to extend an olive branch to my colleagues in the union organization, I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas, President of the NWTTA and Ms. Jackie Simpson who is the President of the UNW. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery, Mr. Barnabas.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translator) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my spouse and a resident of our community who is here to attend a meeting with the Aboriginal Headstart Program for Nunavut. I would like to recognize the two ladies up in the gallery. Thank you.

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