Members Present
Hon. Jim Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Hon. Charles Dent, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Hon. Samuel Gargan, Mr. Henry, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Hon. Manitok Thompson, Hon. John Todd
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Item 1: Prayer
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Roland. Good morning. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin,
Minister's Statement 57-13(3): Ottawa Meeting With Prime Minister
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to inform the House this morning about my meeting this week with the Prime Minister in Ottawa.
The Prime Minister and I met Wednesday afternoon, in the Prime Minister's office on Parliament Hill, to discuss a number of issues of relevance both to Canada and the Northwest Territories. I found the discussion to be very productive and I am confident that our exchange established a strong foundation for future meetings.
The most important aspect of our discussion focused upon the creation of two new viable political jurisdictions in the North with the creation of Nunavut and a new Western Territory in April of 1999.
I informed the Prime Minister that planning for the development of these two new territories is proceeding reasonably well; however, there are areas of concern which will require attention in the coming weeks and months. in the western part of the Northwest Territories, a considerable amount of work remains to be done to ensure that the new government in the West will have a proper and sufficient constitutional base by April of 1999. 1 informed the Prime Minister that we will require the support and assistance of his government in making certain that all necessary work will be completed in the very short time remaining to us before division takes place.
With respect to Nunavut, I had a blunt and forthright conversation with the Prime Minister about where we are at the present time. I told him that I understand the financial circumstances of the country are difficult, but I felt that Nunavut requires a greater level of support than what is contemplated by the recently-announced federal decisions on infrastructure for Nunavut. I pointed out to the Prime Minister the irony of plans to have the federal Department of Public Works involved in building infrastructure for Nunavut when the Government of the Northwest Territories is a recognized leader internationally on building in the North. The Prime Minister understood the point very well and this government will be pursuing that matter in the coming weeks.
Overall, Mr. Speaker, the discussions with the Prime Minister were very positive and I am confident that we will have his support in addressing concerns of the North as we move towards division. Thank you, Mr. Speaker,
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Morin. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.
Minister's Statement 58-13(3): Iqaluit Generator Failure
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement.
Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise the Assembly of a situation which may affect the power supply for the community of Iqaluit for the next few weeks.
Last night, a 2.5-megawatt generator failed in a building located near the airport. The town of Iqaluit lost power for about 20 minutes, but was fully restored and there have been no interruptions since. Technicians are investigating the situation at this moment. It is too early to know for sure whether the unit can be repaired, whether it will have to be replaced, or how quickly this can be done.
Mr. Speaker, the loss of the unit accounts for about 30 per cent of the corporation's generating capacity in Iqaluit. The remaining generators can handle the full demands of the community at this time and there is no emergency. However, other unforeseen breakdowns or problems could occur. The community then may be asked to assist by reducing consumption, or may experience rotating outages, while repairs are made.
Operators are stepping up their monitoring and maintenance programs to ensure plant reliability. In addition, a new twomegawatt generator has recently been ordered and will be installed by September.
Mr. Speaker, the corporation regrets the inconvenience and concern this may cause for Iqaluit residents, but we hope that customers will be prepared to lend their cooperation should it be required. Thank you.
Minister's Statement 58-13(3): Iqaluit Generator Failure
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin.
Minister's Statement 59-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend an economic planning conference in Norman Wells. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Minister's Statement 59-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Morin. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.
Minister's Statement 60-13(3): New Math Curriculum Framework
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Minister's Statement 60-13(3): New Math Curriculum Framework
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Some Hon. Members
Ohh!
Minister's Statement 60-13(3): New Math Curriculum Framework
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Parents across the Northwest Territories, particularly in small communities, have expressed concerns about the standards of education their children receive. In light of those concerns, I am pleased to announce that boards of education will introduce a new math curriculum framework during the next school year.
Once it's in place, parents can be assured that the math lessons being taught to their sons and daughters will be the same as they are in the western provinces and Yukon.
Mr. Speaker, the new framework will help students develop positive attitudes about math and learn skills they need to take them into the 21st century. It emphasizes problem solving, how to communicate effectively about math, and how to connect mathematical ideas to other school subjects and to everyday experiences.
About 150 key resources have been selected to help educators teach the concepts in the framework. Because the western provinces and northern territories make up a sizeable market, publishers and suppliers can now develop learning resources specific to western and northern needs.
The math framework is one of the first joint projects under the Western Canadian protocol, signed in December of 1993. Participating in the Western consortium allows us to share information, pool expertise and use our resources more effectively. The common framework ensures that students can move and not have to worry about catching up with a different math program in their new school. Developing frameworks with other jurisdictions provides us with further assurances that the quality of NWT curricula is as good as anywhere else. Mahsi cho.
Minister's Statement 60-13(3): New Math Curriculum Framework
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine.
Minister's Statement 61-13(3): National Aboriginal Day
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have the pleasure to announce in the Assembly today that
the federal government has proclaimed June 21st of each year as National Aboriginal Day.
National Aboriginal Day has been proclaimed as the day to celebrate the contribution of aboriginal peoples as Canada's First Nations to Canadian society, and to recognize the importance and richness of their different cultures. The Government of the Northwest Territories has lead by example in integrating aboriginal values and traditions into almost every aspect of its activities. The Legislative Assembly, the educational curriculum and the delivery of health care are but a few examples of how aboriginal influences have been steadily advancing to the forefront.
A National Aboriginal Day is long overdue and I'm confident that in the years to come, it will become an important day for the citizens of the Northwest Territories and, subsequently, the citizens of Nunavut and the new Western Territory.
On June 21st, the summer solstice, I encourage groups and individuals to participate in the celebration of the contribution of and the foundation laid by Canada's First Nations -- the aboriginal people -- towards the development of a rich Canadian society. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 61-13(3): National Aboriginal Day
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.
Member's Absence From The House
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform this House that the honourable Mr. Enuaraq will be absent from this House to attend to a personal family matter in Clyde River. Thank you.
Member's Absence From The House
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.
Naming Of New Western Territory
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would just like to briefly comment on the naming of the territory. I found the comments made by the Honourable Steve Kakfwi, a colleague and friend, to be very eloquent and, I thought, very appropriate. They outlined very clearly why we should have a new name for the territory. I would hope that over the course of the upcoming months, we will have a very clear choice between not just accepting the status quo, but a name that does reflect the North, made in the Worth, picked by the people in the North, that reflects what we want and who we are. I fully support the sentiment of my colleague's comments.
The name that comes to mind, that I've heard over the years, 'Nahendeh," seems to have a certain amount of merit for consideration. It is one of the languages spoken up here, so I hope that we do have a clear choice. I was very, very impressed by the comments of my colleague. Thank you.
Naming Of New Western Territory
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An Hon. Member
Hear! Hear!
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.
Yellowknife North Constituency Meeting At Prelude Lake
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased today to announce that I was a part of history the other evening. I held a constituency meeting at Prelude Lake and I was told it was the first one they ever had there.
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Yellowknife North Constituency Meeting At Prelude Lake
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An Hon. Member
Hear! Hear!
Yellowknife North Constituency Meeting At Prelude Lake
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Some of the concerns and suggestions, things that were discussed, was that perhaps we should keep the name of the Northwest Territories for the Western Arctic; people were very concerned that the youth inhalant program was not going to be funded any longer and they want our territorial government to do something about that; that trucking companies should pay to maintain the road on the Ingraham Trail because the use of that road by the big trucks is very destructive to the road. They also wanted someone to tell the people from Census Canada where they are, because they still have not received their forms and nobody has come out there to see them. So if Census Canada is listening, they're out on the Ingraham Trail.
They also wanted to know the status of the shooting corridor and they wanted something to be done. They also wanted to know about the MLA compensation package; the debate. When I explained the package that we had taken, people seemed in agreement that it was quite reasonable. People wanted to know if there could be some kind of a block fund transfer along the trail, because the Mackenzie Valley Resources Management Act is going to be implemented and seems to be quite haphazard. They also wanted to know what the government is doing about a new constitution or government here; whether there are going to be regional and central governments. I told them I was pretty sure there was going to be a central government. They also wanted to know if lots would be available at Cassidy Point for people to buy.
Finally, I'm also pleased to announce that one of the constituents there felt that I worked too hard and that I should get a raise. Thank you.
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Yellowknife North Constituency Meeting At Prelude Lake
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Just to again remind the Members, under Members' statements, they should confine a statement to one matter only. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.
Tl'oondih Healing Camp Program
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year was the first year of operation for the Tl'oondih Healing Camp, which is operated by the Tl'oondih Healing Society, which is a registered, credible organization in Canada. There were 152 men, women, children and infants who participated in the program. Only four people have dropped out of the program for one reason or another, which means that 97 per cent of those people who attend the Tl'oondih program stayed to the completion of the program which is a five-week program.
However, Mr. Speaker, there were no last-minute drop-outs for the program. Everybody who said they were going to attend, attended the program and made an effort to be in McPherson and up to the camp.
As I mentioned earlier in the last couple of weeks in my statements, there is currently a waiting list of 215 men, women and children who would like to attend this unique program, which is designed and developed in the North by Northerners. Mr. Speaker, the Tl'oondih camp provides employment to 22 people in such areas as community health workers, therapists, administrators, cooks, camp maintenance people, adult councillors, youth councillors, child care workers and day care workers. The healing camp also hires people to cut wood, transport people and goods as they are needed, and the program is unique; its basic initiative is to help families. This is basically the first program in the country which has been developed by an aboriginal organization and which has been funded by the Gwich'in Tribal Council. We urge this government to seriously consider looking at this program with regard to its uniqueness.
A family who goes through this program together will save this government large amounts of money and allow people to gain pride in themselves and fit into the wage economy. With that, I will be asking the appropriate Minister a question in this matter, at the right time. Thank you.
Tl'oondih Healing Camp Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.
Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Qujannamiik, lksivautaaq.
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In March, the city of Yellowknife sponsored a two-day community leaders' forum where about 25 community leaders from various groups and organizations attended. The purpose of this forum was to begin the process of developing a shared vision for the future of Yellowknife.
The comment was made that over the next few years, Yellowknife will be exposed to major influences that could radically change the community. These issues that were discussed were division of the Territories, the continued downsizing of the government in the NWT, decentralization of services and the development of community empowerment and community wellness strategies, the potential development of new mines in the region, the settlement of land claims and development of aboriginal self-government and the need to position the city to take advantage of new business opportunities.
At the end of the forum, the participants held a joint session and they summarized some of their major conclusions. I will briefly touch on those. The forces of change affecting Yellowknife over the next few years will radically transform the community. Planning for change means developing a vision of the kind of community we want to live in. In developing our vision, we have to address a number of issues. One of the most significant is our need to create a unique identity apart from the Government of the Northwest Territories.
In a new Western Territory, the residents of Yellowknife will make up close to 50 per cent of the population. It is time that we take a leadership role in creating the new territory and in defining our role within the new territory.
City council must play the lead role in creating the new vision and developing the strategic plan. They stated that in order to carry this out, City Council must reinvent itself. The time is right for change. With the GNWT willing to hand over responsibility for a wide variety of services, the city has a window of opportunity.
The Members have stated that though we expect council to take the lead role in shaping the new vision and strategy plan for Yellowknife, they didn't expect it to act alone. They expected council to involve the Yellowknife MLAs and the leaders from across the community.
The forum was the first step in developing a new vision.
Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ootes, your time is up.
Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ootes.
Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Qujannamiik, lksivautaaq. Several weeks ago, the four Yellowknife MLAs held a follow-up session with the city, aldermen and the administration, to discuss creating a shared vision for Yellowknife. Another follow-up meeting is to be held in June.
I commend the city of Yellowknife for this progressive attitude they are taking in planning their future and the city administration and political leaders. I felt the process was excellent and it will likely lead to a better community. I would encourage other communities throughout the Territories to start looking at the same process considering the changes that the territorial government is making to itself, which will affect the communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Results Of Community Leaders' Forum In Yellowknife
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Just to correct the Member, 'Iksivautaaq" means Mr. Chairman. Mr. Speaker is "Uqaqtii.' I didn't know that either, so...
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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland.
Traditional Spring Activities On The Land
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, honourable Members. This morning, I would like to speak about people travelling on the land. This time of year, there are many people who prepare for spring out on the land, travelling and taking part in their traditional activities. Many people from my riding in the Inuvik area and the Delta at this time of year, prepare and are travelling to their camps and will stay out at their camps for the spring break-up.
This time of year is also dangerous during the spring breakup. I would like to send to the people travelling out on the land a message of safety to prepare well because we can never tell what Mother Nature will do.
I also have my parents travelling out on the land preparing for such a time of year. I have relatives back home doing the same thing. I wish them the safe spring season and hunt. I would also like to send greetings back to my family in Inuvik. Thank you.
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Traditional Spring Activities On The Land
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will bring this up even though the Minister is not here. The Minister is already aware of my statement. (Translation ends)
The Government of Canada and Mineral Resources International Limited entered into an agreement to develop the mine and townsite. This mine was Nanisivik, located in Strathcona Sound. The language and terms and conditions of the agreement make it very clear that the interests of northern residents were to be protected, both before and after the mine and townsite were established.
The agreement provides for education and training for northern residents to ensure that the people of the North benefit from the mine being established on their lands. The Commissioner of the NWT was supposed to appoint a counsellor. The counsellor was to have the responsibility of arranging training and educational upgrading for northerners. Training and education would give them hiring priority. The counsellor was also responsible for helping northerners working at the mine with work and living conditions, helping them cope with stress from working in the mines.
It is clear that this type of person would help northerners to get and keep jobs in the mine. However, it appears that this government has never appointed a counsellor. With no one monitoring the agreement and ensuring the terms are being adhered to, northern residents are being left out in the cold. As a result, the number of northern residents employed by Nanisivik Mine has declined in recent years. There are plans for other new mines in the Northwest Territories. Northerners have the same concerns now as they did in 1974, NWT residents need the benefits of this mine to stay in the North. Among the biggest benefits from opening the mine were provided to its employees and to boost the economy...
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Barnabas, your time is up.
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Barnabas.
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This government has been very clear in its intention to have as many northerners working in the new mines as possible. Perhaps this government can back up its intention by implementing this dated promise from 1974 and follow through on its good intentions. I intend to ask questions to the appropriate Minister on Monday when he is in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Benefits Of Nanisivik Mine To Nwt
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry.
Closure Of The Northern Addictions Program
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past week, we have heard from various Members who addressed concerns over the imminent closure of the northern addictions program for inhalant and substance abuse, which is currently offered in Yellowknife, with services used from across the North.
As my fellow Member from Yellowknife North stated, this facility will be forced to discontinue the program next month due to a lack of federal government funding. This situation is very unfortunate as there is such an obvious need. The eight-bed facility is operating at capacity and has a waiting list of youth needing this service.
Mr. Speaker, within the past week, we have had several calls of concern from our community over the closure and are in receipt of a large number of letters supporting the continuation of this facility. I will be tabling these letters later today in the House.
This facility has a valuable role in our social network. I believe our youth are our future and we must provide enough resources for them to grow into healthy members of our society. If we do not, we will further place a burden on our social, health and justice systems. It is vital that we provide the needed programs for our youth. If this means we have to sacrifice some levels of programs for adults, then so be it.
We must provide the services for all youth who need support from drug, alcohol, substance and solvent abuse. If we do not, the repercussions felt later will far outweigh what the costs are for providing these services now. Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister for some responses.
Closure Of The Northern Addictions Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Henry. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco.
Loss Of 26 Neckties
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a major loss occurred approximately two weeks ago when this honourable Member, in response to the dapper and debonair standards of this House, were called into jeopardy, Mr. Speaker.
As a result of these standards, proceeding from the Centre Square Mail area to my domicile, it became evident that my suit appendage was missing. Mr. Speaker, 26 appendages - or neck ties in some circles -- were gone astray. Retracing my steps, I was not able to recover the appendages, but lo and behold, the Honourable John Todd jumped into the breach and presented me with two wonderful ties.
However, Mr. Speaker, as most Members know, because my neck and my style are a little different than the Honourable John Todd, I have only worn those ties twice. I will endeavour to reciprocate the honourable Member when he comes to Iqaluit next week for his visit and I would recommend to the Minister that he would wear the pull-away ties on his visit to Iqaluit. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 248-13(3): Response For Requests For Intervenor Funding
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Roy Erasmus on May 16, 1996, in response to his request for intervenor funding.
Mr. Erasmus asked me about an application for aboriginal rights court challenges funding on behalf of the Yellowknife Dene First Nation and the Treaty 8 Tribal Council.
I acknowledge that letters were received in connection with this application, dated April 19, 1995, December 21, 1995 and May 8, 1996. No written response has been sent by the Department of Justice, but there has been contact by telephone. The chairperson of the Aboriginal Rights Court Challenges Committee called after both the April and December 21 letters and explained the nature of the additional information that would be required before the application could be considered. That additional information has not been provided.
Although this request for additional information has been conveyed by telephone, I have asked the Department of Justice to ensure that a letter is sent confirming the additional information that is needed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 248-13(3): Response For Requests For Intervenor Funding
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko.
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
I would like to recognize a former Member of the House, Mr. Fred Koe, who is acting executive director of CDSC, at this time.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes.
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would also like to recognize Mr. Koe, as he is a constituent of mine now.
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark.
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a friend and hunting partner, Mr. Koe.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko.
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng. I say that with great pride, since he is becoming a close friend of mine.
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The question I have for the Minister is with regard to the overall cost to this government of what is being paid to facilities in Canada and what we are paying in the way of costs for clients per day in these southern institutions and northern institutions. I would like the Minister to tell me if he can have those costs tabled in this House for all the Members, to see the comparison.
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng. That was two questions.
Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be willing to get into the details of that information when that budget of the Department of Health and Social Services comes before Committee of the Whole. Thank you.
Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you know, the Tl'oondih healing program is a new program and they have been trying to acquire resources to operate as a northern facility. As I stated earlier, they are registered as a charitable organization in Canada. Yet, they seem to have difficulty in maintaining adequate funds to continue to operate. La st year, the program cost in the range of $1.2 million compared to other facilities such as Hay River, Yellowknife and Iqaluit. Because the Tl'oondih Healing Society is trying to fund-raise to southern institutions and look for additional resources because they may not be able to operate fully this year without those resources. As the Minister stated in the last couple of weeks, they have contributed $300,000; but my understanding of the $300,000 is that that is not core funding, that is basically for services that they will be willing to provide as they admit clients to this program through Social Services. They are for non-insured health benefits. That means that only status Indians and Inuit can take this program. Will the Minister agree to deliver to this House the status of being able to deliver this program to Metis and non-aboriginal people, as well?
Supplementary To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Again, to remind the Members, to limit your preamble to before you make your three supplementaries. Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department has agreed to cover treatment costs at Tl'oondih for non-status individuals through the extended health program, provided that those individuals have received approval to attend the Tl'oondih Healing Centre. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
To date, the Government of the Northwest Territories funds four facilities to the tune of $4 million. I would also like to know about costs for the services we get from southern institutions, such as Bellwood and other areas like that. There are some options that the government is looking at, where we talk about empowering communities and finding new ways to do government. I think we have to consider looking at the private sector, but also looking at it in the context of trying to use northern facilities more then we use southern facilities. I would like to have something on that also. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I acknowledge the comments of the honourable Member. It's something the department is striving towards, in setting out
in our business plans the priority of trying to keep our resources in the North utilized as fully as possible, by trying to minimize the amount of dollars being spent in southern institutions. That's something we've recognized and we've already started working on planning for that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Question 252-13(3): Cost Of Health Care For Northerners
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes.
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that we're working our way through the budget, I think that the government will be starting to shift its focus to economic stimulation. Members have spoken on that, and Mr. Todd outlined that in his budget address. There will be a challenge there to create jobs for people. I wondering if the Premier would be in a position to advise us of the membership of his panel of advisors on the economy.
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Premier, Mr. Morin.
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Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have written to all the members and I've talked to them on the phone. They've all agreed to sit on that panel. I wrote to Members yesterday. You should be getting that letter fairly quickly. What we've come up with are 16 members on that panel, and those members are from every region in the Northwest Territories. There are a mix of people with many different business backgrounds, and I'm looking forward to meeting with them fairly quickly once we get out of this session; hopefully, in June sometime.
I had hoped we would be able to make the panel a bit smaller than 16, but I'm also of the full understanding that business people are business people and they have to run their businesses. So we appointed 16 people and I'm expecting them all to come for a meeting in early June. Thank you.
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Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to hear that the Premier has expanded the panel. I feel that because some people may not be able to make it from time to time, that's excellent. I wonder if the Premier could tell us if he will develop the objectives of this panel in conjunction with the panel members. Perhaps if he could tell us when he expects to have his first meeting with them.
Supplementary To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Morin.
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Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I expect our first meeting to be sometime in June. I will be looking
forward to the panel's input and I'll take whatever they say into consideration and take their advice. That's the main reason to establish this panel; to get the advice of these independent business people on what direction we can go and how we go about getting there. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
This panel will be of great importance to us and of interest to the Members of the House. I wonder if the Premier could commit to keep us updated on progress; perhaps a summary of each meeting as he has held meetings with the business community.
Supplementary To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
Further Return To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to do that. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
Question 253-13(3): Membership On Panel Of Advisors On Economy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry.
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health, Mr. Ng. This House has recently heard concerns over the imminent closure of Northern Addictions program for inhalant and solvent abuse provided to aboriginal youth from across the Territories, and is presently funded by the federal government. I would like to ask the Minister if he has had the opportunity to look into this area of providing funding so that that function can still remain in operation.
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.
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Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, as I indicated earlier in this House, the department is looking at their internal spending to see whether or not we can divert some funding from our existing programming to try to keep the adolescent solvent abuse treatment program in operation. Thank you.
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Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.
Supplementary To Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if he has a time line when this report will be ready for presentation to himself, for a decision on this program. The federal government funding ends on June 30th, I believe. Does the Minister have a time line when he would be able to report back or make a decision on this?
Supplementary To Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would anticipate that, during the early part of June, I would have some kind of options put before myself from my departmental officials to see what action we could take in respect to this issue. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Question 254-13(3): Funding For Substance Abuse Program
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is concerning the very serious situation in Iqaluit. I would like to say that I appreciate Mr. Bill Braden from NTPC, who contacted me last night shortly after the failure, keeping me up to date on the situation. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has said that NTPC will be replacing the 2.5 megawatt generator, but they're going to replace it with a two-megawatt generator. Will the two-megawatt generator be enough when it's replacing a 2.5-megawatt generator? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent.
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Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the two-megawatt generator which I mentioned in my statement, is one that was planned to come into the community as a replacement already. So that generator had been ordered and was scheduled to be delivered on the sealift this summer. What that will do is provide us with the extra capacity. I said in my statement that the generators in place right now are sufficient to run the town at peak load. At the present time, there isn't a danger of having rotating outages or running into problems with there not being enough power, but we do have a problem with back-up. The two megawatts will provide us with sufficient back-up to get through, but that's not necessarily a long-term solution. We will be assessing whether or not the generator that failed last night can be re-built or whether it should be replaced, and I would be happy to keep the Member and the community informed as to the progress on that decision. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
Supplementary To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to hear that. There have been ongoing problems with the generators in the last couple of years. Maybe the Minister could inform the House, from preliminary investigations, of what happened last night. What caused the failure of said generator? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Supplementary To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Dent.
Further Return To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the exact cause of the failure is still under investigation. A preliminary examination of the situation tends to indicate that the generator itself failed, and that's what caused the fire. The fire did not significantly damage the building or the switch gear. At this point in time, it looks like it's only the generator and perhaps the engine which are damaged. As I said, we're still assessing whether or not it's possible to rebuild those. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you.
Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
Supplementary To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, in light of the failure of the generator, has NTPC looked at the capacity in the community of Iqaluit? As the Minister knows, it's one of the fastest-growing communities in the Northwest Territories. With it being named the capital, we expect more growth. Has NTPC looked at increasing the capacity in Iqaluit after this serious situation; even though we are having the two megawatt now coming in this fall, will that be enough? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Supplementary To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Dent.
Further Return To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, because of spring coming and the impact that has on power demand, which means that the demand should go down, it gives us a little bit of room to enter into the sort of planning that the Member is asking about. The plan right now would be to replace the unit which has failed, in addition to the new unit that was coming in. We will, however, take a new look at the situation, given the circumstances of the fire last night, and make sure that we are covering off our future requirements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Question 255-13(3): Replacement Of Iqaluit Generator
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen.
Question 256-13(3): Advisory Committee On Economy Membership
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the honourable Premier if he could give us some information on how he's proceeding with the appointments to his Advisory Committee on the Economy. I believe it has been a while now since he advised the House that we would have such a committee, and I'm sure that other Members are as anxious as I am to know who these members are and when this committee will start meeting. Thank you.
Question 256-13(3): Advisory Committee On Economy Membership
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Morin.
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Question 256-13(3): Advisory Committee On Economy Membership
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To start that process, I wrote to all Members of the Legislative Assembly to ask them for recommendations on who could sit on this independent advisory panel. Some Members did reply, then I went and looked into every region in the Northwest Territories for independent business people out there, as well as people with business experience. From that, I finalized the list approximately 10 days ago. I have been able to contact nearly all those people and all of them have agreed to sit on that panel. I sent them a letter last week and I have written to every Member of this Legislative Assembly, yesterday, advising them of who is going to be on that panel. Hopefully in June, we will have our first meeting. Also, Mr. Speaker, I would be pleased to give a statement in this House on Tuesday, advising the public at large, as well as this House, who is going to be sitting on that panel. Thank you.
Return To Question 256-13(3): Advisory Committee On Economy Membership
Question 256-13(3): Advisory Committee On Economy Membership
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.
Question 257-13(3): Maintenance Of GNWT Staff Housing In Nanisivik
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question regarding government staff housing in Nanisivik. The supervisor who was in charge of looking after that was laid off. What are the plans with the government staff housing in Nanisivik? I'm asking this question to the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 257-13(3): Maintenance Of GNWT Staff Housing In Nanisivik
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 475
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo.
Question 257-13(3): Maintenance Of GNWT Staff Housing In Nanisivik
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I will take this question as notice and get back to the Member, once I find out. Thank you.
Question 257-13(3): Maintenance Of GNWT Staff Housing In Nanisivik
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 475
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes.
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I spoke earlier this morning on the community leaders' forum that had been held in Yellowknife, and I'm wondering if the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs could advise if she would consider promoting the holding of similar meetings in communities -- especially the larger communities throughout the Northwest Territories -- in consideration of the fact that the Government of the Northwest Territories is looking to transfer a lot of the programs to community authority.
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mrs. Thompson.
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Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will be having a regional leadership summit happening in the regions and, yes, I will consider that. Thank you.
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Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the successes I found, of the several meetings I attended, was the presence of a facilitator which allowed the meeting to flow towards a certain direction and have goals. I'm wondering if the Minister would consider, as well, if community forums are held, that the use of a facilitator be obtained.
Supplementary To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mrs. Thompson.
Further Return To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will consider a facilitator. At this time, MACA will be facilitating the regional leaders' summit and we will be considering that. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
I wonder if the Minister could keep us informed as to the results of the community leaders' conference that's planned.
Supplementary To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mrs. Thompson.
Further Return To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will keep the Members informed on all regional leaders' summits that will be happening in the future. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Question 258-13(3): Sponsorship Of Community Leaders' Forum
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry.
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance. The Minister is proposing a balanced budget next year. I would like to add that that gives me some glimmer of hope. We've also heard that, through petroleum products privatization, we have assets worth approximately $80 million. The government has also told us that they are looking at privatizing and selling off the staff housing. My question to the Minister is, in his assumptions about a balanced budget next year, is the potential sale of
these assets figured into his projections of a balanced budget?
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
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Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The sale of the staff housing is the only factor built into our budget projections. Thank you.
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Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Henry.
Supplementary To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So the staff housing is calculated in. Petroleum products are, I take it, not calculated in. Does the Minister have any potential estimates on what staff housing will generate if the sale of that goes ahead, and what he's calculating as an additional revenue.
Supplementary To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe we have somewhere around 560 staff houses that we haven't sold. It is our intention to, once again, give the tenants who are in the current houses another opportunity to purchase those houses at significant discounted rates. However, if the tenants choose not to, then we would more than likely put the houses up on some sort of public tender. We are working on a paper right now. My understanding is we are calculating, based upon some experience we have gotten from the houses we have sold across the Territories, somewhere between $15 million and $20 million. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have also talked in this House about the spending habits the government has. Will the addition of this revenue also be included additional cuts to spending? Thank you.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Henry, would you clarify your question, please?
Supplementary To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will certainly try. We are looking at generating some revenues from the sale of staff housing. I will also ask the Minister, will he be looking at cutting other forms of spending and not just selling off assets. You will run into a wall sooner or later when all your assets are gone if you still don't get your spending under control. Thank you.
Supplementary To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 476
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have in place, as my honourable colleague knows, a two-year fiscal plan to balance the budget. In that two-year plan, there are cuts and amalgamations. I did indicate to the Government Operations committee the other day if we meet our targets that we have set for each other, we will need a contingency plan and we are working on that plan should we not be able to meet the targets through some unforseen circumstances, whether it is future cuts to the base by our colleagues in the South, the federal government, or whether it is an emergency in terms of disasters, et cetera. We are reasonably confident that with the cooperation and support of the House, we can meet these targets. However, I want to assure my colleague that I am not a man of one option -I never have been -- and we will be making contingency plans in case we can't meet these targets that we have set together in the deficit elimination strategy. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry.
Supplementary To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
On the sale of assets, Mr. Speaker, can the Minister inform us of any other potential assets that the government is looking at selling in the future? There are petroleum products and housing. Are there any other assets they are looking at privatizing or disposing of? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do recognize that, clearly, just the privatization initiatives we put forward for consideration and the strategy of the selling of assets with respect to staff housing is only one part of our program. My colleague, Mr. Arlooktoo, Minister of Public Works, is currently working on a paper to identify other potential areas of sale of government assets that perhaps are no longer required and will be presenting that soon I believe to Cabinet and, ultimately, to the committees. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Question 259-13(3): Inclusion Of Sale Of Assets In Budget Projections
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland.
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I had questions on the price of gasoline to the Minister responsible for petroleum products. Today I have another question for the Minister. Does this government have any control over the price of gas at the pump?
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Arlooktoo.
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Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, in the areas where fuel is bought and sold by private companies, we do not have control. In the majority of communities where the government buys and sells through its contractors, we do set a price at the beginning of the year and generally stick with those prices.
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Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Would it then be in those communities that the government is subsidizing the rate of gas at the pumps?
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, on a cost-recovery basis, they have had no fuel price increase since 1992 in areas where the government provides the fuel. This is where the petroleum products revolving fund has kicked in and we are now into a bit of a deficit. The petroleum products revolving fund, in a sense, does help stabilize the prices.
Further Return To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So this government doesn't have any effect on the price of gas in communities where there are private companies that deliver fuel. Does this government realize any revenue from any portion of the price of gas at the pumps?
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, the government does receive some tax revenue from gas in communities.
Further Return To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Final supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is what is realized from the pumps in communities where private operators provide the service the same in the communities where the government is the one that provides the service?
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice.
Supplementary To Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
Question 260-13(3): GNWT Control Of Fuel Prices
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The question is taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko.
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 476
David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works with regard to the Fort McPherson water treatment plant. I am still receiving a lot of phone calls on that. I would like to ask the Minister what the status is on the review that is being done right now on the water treatment plant.
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 476
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister of Public Works and Services, Mr. Arlooktoo.
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Page 476
Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs is currently beginning a study to look for any options that the committee may have, and have identified $40,000 for this study.
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Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the concern of the community is not another study, but the question of the water quality. There was a report issued by your department and it stated that there are some traces of cancer-causing components in the water supply. I think that is the biggest concern of the community to date. We are talking about six different chemicals that you have been adding to the water system to try to resolve this problem ... So with regard to that, the $40,000 study is great, but we have a concern with the community which is now becoming a health concern. I see there is a real urgency to try to find a mechanism of dealing with this. Will the Minister, and his honourable colleague, the Minister of MACA, make an attempt to go into the community and sit down with community members and the people from the Health department, municipality and band council to try to resolve this ASAP?
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 476
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, I very well understand the concerns of the community and of the MLA. According to a recent sampling, the water quality meets the standards of the Canadian drinking water standards. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and Public Works representatives who represent the Minister and myself will be in the communities and have been consulting with the communities to work on any future solutions.
The water treatment plant that is in Fort McPherson right now was built in 1989 at a cost of $2 million. We are currently spending $120,000 a year on some improvements since then. I am informed that the occurrence of these chemicals is a seasonal spring-time occurrence due to lowwater levels and isn't unique to this community. I share the concerns of the Member and I assure him that we will work as closely as we can to try to deal with it.
I am also informed that the cost of another supply would cost in the area of $8 million to $10 million. Because of that, we need to look at this very carefully.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the statement by the Minister, I would like to ask him and his colleague from MACA, if they could travel to Fort McPherson with me to have a public meeting on this issue and get input from the community, and also see exactly what we are talking about. You are talking about $40,000 to do another study. You are saying because it is going to cost $8 million to look at an additional water source, you are coming up with a Band-aid solution. Yet, the community feels strongly that it is more than a water quality issue; it is a health issue. I would like to send an invitation out to the Minister and the Minister of MACA to travel to Fort McPherson to have a public meeting on this issue.
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, I would be interested in talking further with the Member on this. I can assure him that if the Minister of MACA and myself aren't able to travel, we will send our senior officials there to make sure the concerns of the community are heard.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko.
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The invitation was to you, Mr. Minister; not to your advisors. I would like you to be there in person, so you can hear, first hand, the concerns that I am hearing with regard to this health issue. We don't need any more bureaucrats. We need a Minister to resolve this issue.
Supplementary To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arlooktoo.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South
Mr. Speaker, like I said, I am interested in sitting down with the Member and looking at our schedules to see if there is a possibility to do that. We are in the middle of dealing with the budget and immediately after that, I have made some commitments elsewhere, but I will sit down and talk to the Member about it.
Further Return To Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Question 261-13(3): Status Of Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.
Question 262-13(3): Air Terminal Requirements In Grise Fiord
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Transportation. In my constituency of Grise Fiord, there was an air terminal building built. However, due to the severe weather, that building was torn down and they are using an office building. I was told that the community and the airport have weather conditions that are not always the same. I am wondering if the Minister could look into this matter. Thank you.
Question 262-13(3): Air Terminal Requirements In Grise Fiord
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Antoine.
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Question 262-13(3): Air Terminal Requirements In Grise Fiord
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
Jim Antoine Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the Member's questions and comments and look into the matter.
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Question 262-13(3): Air Terminal Requirements In Grise Fiord
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was pleased to hear in the Premier's statement that his meeting with the Prime Minister went well. As a result of the tight time lines with division and the recently-announced federal funding for Nunavut, will the Premier be seeking further regular meetings with the Prime Minister with the run up to division on April 1, 1999?
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 478
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Premier, Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think June 20th or 2 1 st, I will be going to Ottawa for a First Ministers' Conference. I think that with the issues we have to deal with as governments throughout Canada, I will have the opportunity to meet with the Prime Minister many times between now and April 1, 1999. I will not only raise the issue of division, but us creating two new territories in the North, new political jurisdictions, the constitution and any other issue that needs to be raised. Thank you.
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Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.
Supplementary To Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the discussions the Premier had with the Prime Minister of Canada, was there any indication from the Prime Minister that there may be an opportunity -- given the $150 million in announced funding for Nunavut that we have a major problem with -- for this government to increase that? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Supplementary To Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 479
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
Further Return To Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no doubt in my mind that I don't continually whip a dead horse. As far as I am concerned, that is a dead horse; $150 million. The federal government has made it very clear and Mr. Irwin made it very clear in Arviat that he had a tough time getting the $150 million. So we are going to have to live with that. We are going to have to make sure that we spend it wisely and make sure that every dollar possible is spent in the Northwest Territories and not spent on the federal government. It has to be spent in the North, in Nunavut for Nunavut.
We have to make sure that we are fully involved in the next phase, formula financing for two new territories, and that we have full input into those talks. The input needs to end up with good results for people of the North in both new territories. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Question 263-13(3): Regular Meetings With Prime Minister Before Division
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 479
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen.
Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of MACA. Mr. Speaker, over the past few years, this government and the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk have been trying to resolve the shoreline erosion problem that we have in our community. Unfortunately, Ms. Beaufort hasn't been very considerate of our efforts. It might be because in the past, we have always had men Ministers of MACA. This is probably the first time we have had a lady Minister of MACA. I invite the Minister down so, perhaps on a woman-to-woman basis, they could solve this problem along with help from the community. Would the Minister consider coming to Tuk this summer and meeting Ms. Beaufort face to face and possibly assist the hamlet with a solution to this problem. Thank you.
Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 479
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mrs. Thompson.
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Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will go to Tuktoyaktuk this summer to speak with her, woman to woman. Thank you.
--- Applause
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Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes.
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Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The budget balancing has been the focus of our attention for the last six months and Mr. Henry asked several questions of the Minister of Finance. I would like to ask several questions as well. The budget balancing is going to continue to be on our minds. It will preoccupy us for some time yet to come. The concern is how we balance the budget. In my mind, there are three ways. One is to raise revenues, the other is to cut
Return To Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 479
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
Return To Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, I was so intent on reading the latest in the Nunatsiaq News, I inadvertently didn't hear the question? My apologies to my colleague. Could he please repeat his question.
Return To Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
Question 264-13(3): Shoreline Erosion In Tuktoyaktuk
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Could you repeat your question, Mr. Ootes.
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Yes, Mr. Speaker. I will enjoy the opportunity to repeat my comments. The budget has been of concern to us for the last six months. It has literally preoccupied our time. It will no doubt continue to be that way. It is of concern to all the Members of the House. The concern is that we will continue to have to all work on the budget and find ways and means of balancing that. In Mr. Todd's plan, it is over two years. In my mind, there are several ways in which to do this. One is to raise the revenues of the territorial government and the second would be to cut the expenditures in various areas and then the third is to sell the assets. Could the Minister tell us when he will be meeting with Cabinet on this to devise plans on disposable assets? Would the Minister, shortly thereafter, commit to give us also the list of the assets they are looking to dispose of; not just now but in the future?
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 479
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.
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Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, I apologize to my colleague. First of all, it isn't my budget, it is our budget. I believe that. Yes, once we have identified potential areas for the disposition of government assets, I am sure the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Minister of Public Works and Services, would only be too happy to share with that our colleagues, as we may have missed some things. There may be some things that the MLAs and others feet that we should be out of, but we would certainly be only too happy to provide our colleagues with information and seek their input on further disposition of government assets that we believe are no longer required and can generate some revenue for this government to meet its two-year deficit elimination strategy. Thank you.
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Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
I wonder if the Minister could commit to ensure that this is put within the business plans of the various departments, so that no assets are sold prior to it being reviewed by the various standing committees.
Supplementary To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't think I could commit to that at this time until we get the paper from the Minister of Public Works. What I can commit to is, once the document is ready, that the Minister of Public Works and Services will review the disposition of additional assets over and above what we have identified with the ordinary Members through the committee structure. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
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Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Could the Minister tell us if he has any plans to do any privatization of any assets prior to next October?
Supplementary To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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John Todd Keewatin Central
I certainly hope so. As part of the policy of this government, we intend to move aggressively on privatization as part of our deficit elimination strategy. It will be discussed fully with the committees prior to any action being taken. I don't know if we can commit today if we will do things prior to October or prior to tomorrow or the next day. But I can say the position of this government is to move aggressively in the areas of privatization and we will seek committees' and MLAs' comments and seek some of their direction on the initiatives that we will undertake. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.
Supplementary To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
I guess that was the area of concern -- that we be fully involved -- because, as I mentioned, we are all into this thing of having to participate in balancing the budget. So it was a concern. Could the Minister ensure, because the committees may not be meeting for the next six weeks -which we don't know -- that it will be put before the standing committees?
Supplementary To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Todd.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Let me answer the question this way. There is a need. My honourable colleague has spoken many times, along with his colleague from Yellowknife, that their position is slightly different than mine. They want to balance the budget in one year. There is clearly a need then, if that is the case, to fast-track some of the issues of privatization and the sale of assets, at cetera. We will consult and move
forward aggressively to reach a decision on what is going to be privatized and what isn't. I want to remind everyone again, we have 34 months left in this mandate. I have less than 24 months left to balance the budget and that is what we intend to do. So there is a requirement for consultation and for a need for direction, but there is also a requirement for action. We intend to move forward with action. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Question 265-13(3): Plans For Disposal Of GNWT Assets
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland.
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice in the area of fines and victims' compensation. Can the Minister make us aware of the amount of victims' compensation that is recovered by the Department of Justice? Does it actually cover the government's expense in this area?
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Minister of Justice, Mr. Ng.
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Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Through the courts, under the Criminal Code and Victims of Crimes Act, the judiciary has the right to impose fines against people who are convicted and to direct these funds to the victims' assistance funds. I couldn't say exactly how much is received on an annual basis. It is my understanding that the victims' assistance fund has a balance of $336,000 as of March 31, 1996. Thank you.
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Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.
Supplementary To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister make us aware, in a case where a victims' assistance or compensation fine is processed, does that money that is taken go directly to the people the offence was committed against?
Supplementary To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 480
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with respect to the funding I was speaking about earlier under the victims' assistance fund, that money is accrued and dispersed, not to individuals. It's disbursed through a victims' assistance committee which is appointed by myself. That committee reviews applications of non-government organizations that provide support to victims through projects, through training, through program delivery, public awareness and research in those types of activities, so it wouldn't be direct to individuals. However, there is also the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act which, as Members know, is currently under review through the Budget Measures Implementation Act. Through that fund, there are
direct monetary applications that can be applied by victims of crime to receive funding.
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Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Roland, supplementary.
Supplementary To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
So when one is in court, charged, found guilty and given a fine, there are, at times, a fine of criminal compensation. That doesn't go to the people who were affected by the crime that the person is guilty of.
Supplementary To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Ng.
Further Return To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
No, it wouldn't. The fines that would be imposed by the court would go to the victims' assistance fund that I had mentioned earlier. Thank you.
Further Return To Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Question 266-13(3): Recovery Of Compensation For Victims
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus.
Question 267-13(3): Amount Of Grants-in-lieu Of Taxes In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board. Mr. Speaker, Yellowknife is the largest community in the Northwest Territories and it also has the majority of the GNWT-owned buildings. My question for the Minister is what is the approximate amount of money paid by this government to the city of Yellowknife in grants in lieu of taxes for those buildings. Approximate; I don't want to be put off with a technical answer.
Question 267-13(3): Amount Of Grants-in-lieu Of Taxes In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board, Mr. Todd.
Question 267-13(3): Amount Of Grants-in-lieu Of Taxes In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
John Todd Keewatin Central
Mr. Speaker, I certainly wouldn't want to put my colleague off on that important question and I would want to ensure that it was an accurate reflection of the actual costs, so I will take the question as notice and report to him on Tuesday. Thank you.
Question 267-13(3): Amount Of Grants-in-lieu Of Taxes In Yellowknife
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Todd. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.
Question 268-13(3): Topics Of Discussion At Meeting With Prime Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
Levi Barnabas High Arctic
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I listened with great interest to the Premier's statement about his meeting with the Prime Minister. What subjects were discussed at the meeting with the Prime Minister? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Question 268-13(3): Topics Of Discussion At Meeting With Prime Minister
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 481
The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Question 268-13(3): Topics Of Discussion At Meeting With Prime Minister
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I said in my Minister's statement today, we discussed many issues. We mainly discussed where the North was going. We talked a bit about the constitution in the West and the process that we see to develop a new Western Territory. We talked about Nunavut and how well that was going along. We also talked in general about the Northwest Territories. On my part, it was a very enjoyable meeting. I finally met a person in Ottawa who was very knowledgeable about the Northwest Territories and very concerned about the Northwest Territories, as well as who I thought was a person very committed to working with the Northwest Territories to overcome the issues we have. And we talked about devolution, as well. Mr. Speaker, thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas.
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends) ... agree to transferring responsibilities for managing natural resources to the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Prime Minister of Canada is very committed to doing that. We have our own work to do here in the Northwest Territories amongst our aboriginal partners. He started that job when he was the Minister of Indian Affairs, and he made a public statement in this Legislative Assembly, when he opened it, that he would like to see that job completed. Also, he would entertain coming into the Northwest Territories, I believe, once we have something prepared that we can present to him, to show that we've done our work from this end in the devolution of oil and gas to the Northwest Territories and other provincial-type jurisdictions. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Morin.
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to present Petition No. 46-13(3) containing 15 signatures from Fort Resolution, concerning the MLA compensation package. The petition states that: "We, the undersigned, request that the MLA compensation package be publicly debated and resolved." I guess they want this done as soon as possible. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports
of committees on the review of bills. We'll take a short recess.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
I would like to call the House back to order. We are on item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Clerk.
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, according to Rule 42(10), I wish to table Tabled Document 49-13(3) a response to Petition 2-13(3), presented by Mr. Evaloarjuk and responded to by the Minister of Transportation.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Barnabas.
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table Tabled Document 50-13(3), an agreement between Nanisivik mines and the Government of the Northwest Territories. It was signed in June 1994. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Tuesday, May 21, 1996, I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Yellowknife North, that the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act be amended to eliminate all those provisions that permit an annual increase to allowances and expenses; And furthermore, that the increase of 2.1 per cent to allowances and expenses that was effective April 1, 1996 be recovered from Members of the Legislative Assembly for all expenses and allowance payments made since that date. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time today, I will be seeking unanimous consent to move this motion.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Ng.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Tuesday, May 21, 1996, I will move that Bill 15, Statute Revision Act, be read for the first time.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Ng.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Tuesday, May 21, 1996, I will move that Bill 17, Business Corporations Act, be read for the first time. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 15, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Mr. Todd.
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John Todd Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Tuesday, May 21, 1996, I will move that Bill 16, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2, be read for the first time.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 15, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Mr. Speaker, I assumed that was the end of that agenda item and was going to seek unanimous consent to return to tabling of documents.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 13, tabling of documents. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You have unanimous consent, Mr. Henry.
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table Tabled Document 51-13(3) which is six letters received in support of the Northern Addictions Services. They are in support of the youth inhalant program offered at the Northern Addictions Centre in Yellowknife. The letters are from the Yellowknife YWCA; Deninu Drug and Alcohol Committee; Alcohol and Drug Education Committee in Clyde River; Department of Health and Social Services in Arviat; Hattle Alagalak, wellness worker; and, the William MacDonald School in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 16, motions. Motion 9-13(3), the motion will remain on the order paper. Mr. Ootes.
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Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I request unanimous consent to deal with Motion 10-13(3), on the removal and recovery of consumer price index increase to Members' allowances and expenses.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to deal with Motion 10-13(3). Are there any nays?
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Some Hon. Members
Nay.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
You don't have unanimous consent, Mr. Ootes. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act; Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97; Committee Report 1-13(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 1996
97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 2-13(3), Standing Committee on Infrastructure Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 3-13(3), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 4-13(3), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Tabled Document 1-13(3), Report of the Commission on MLA Compensation, with Mr. Steen in the chair.
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The Chair Vince Steen
I would like to call the committee
to order. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Erasmus.
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We wish to proceed with the departmental review of Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97, the Department of Health and Social Services.
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Agreed.
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I will ask the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services for opening comments on the department's estimates.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a pleasure to present to you the main estimates of the Department of Health and Social Services. Although these main estimates represent the beginning of the department's revised budgeting process, we have already taken steps to control costs; particularly in the administrative area. For example, headquarters reduced 45 positions during consolidation and restructuring; and medical travel administration has been moved to boards to bring it closer to where decisions are made.
As directed by the Premier and the Minister of Finance, the department's 1996-97 reductions have been designed to minimize the impact on program delivery. As a consequence of initiatives referred to in these estimates, a number of legislative and regulatory changes may be required. These changes include implementation of the proposed child welfare and adoption legislation; amendments to the Medical Care Act and regulations to enable the return of clients and services to the NWT, and allow de-insuring some medicare fee items; amendments...
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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq
(Translation) The interpreters cannot keep up. The Minister is talking too fast. Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
I apologize, Mr. Chairman. Amendments to the eating or drinking places regulations, under the Public Health Act to allow for permit fees. Other legislative changes may be required depending on final decisions regarding board structures.
This year's capital plan requires $13.5 million, but $4.9 million of this is carryover for projects previously identified in last year's capital plan. The replacement of hospitals in Inuvik and Iqaluit remain at the forefront of the department's capital plan. We are working with the respective boards to develop cohesive plans that will lay the foundation for design and construction work over the next four to five years. The year 1996-97 will be an intensive planning year.
Replacement of the health centre in Fort Good Hope is under way and will be completed in 1996-97, while the Clyde River health centre will be operational at the end of this month. Renovations are under way in Jean Marie River and Trout Lake and planned for Fort Providence, Fort Resolution, Arviat and Gjoa Haven. Planning will begin for a group home for handicapped adults in Fort Simpson. We expect construction to start next year.
We are working with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs to construct a facility in Snare Lake which combines a health centre and a community office. Design will be completed this year. We are also working with the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to provide an appropriate facility in Yellowknife for MacAteer House, a shelter for victims of spousal assault.
There have been and will be lay-offs and elimination of positions. Our main estimates present a net change in reported PYs of 14.5 positions for the 1996-97 fiscal year. We are proposing that 18.5 social worker positions that are currently underfunded will be funded. These are not new positions. We will create three new positions. Two are required to implement the Guardianship and Trustee Act, and one will coordinate a mentoring program for northern nursing graduates. Through a combination of lay-offs and eliminating vacant positions, we have already reduced 15 positions at headquarters, including one assistant deputy minister position.
We will privatize the Trailcross Treatment Centre in Fort Smith which, unfortunately, means laying off 15 employees. Because this action takes place mid-year, the net effect will be a reduction of 10 person years. However, on the positive side of this initiative, business and employment opportunities in the private sector will be created.
We expect changes as a result of health board initiatives. Health boards were given budget targets and challenged to find ways of providing services with less money. The department reviewed reduction plans prepared by the boards, but did so only to monitor compliance with existing legislative, policy and financial requirements. Boards therefore had significant latitude in making their own reduction decisions and will be held accountable. Board proposals have dealt with staffing changes through a combination of lay-offs, eliminating vacant positions and privatizing functions. The boards have not finalized their plans, but I can give you an idea of the magnitude of change they are proposing. We have reviewed submissions from all eight boards. Over the next two years, boards proposed a net elimination of 137 positions. Of these positions, 35 are vacant and 102 are staffed. Fifty-eight positions are connected with services boards propose to privatize.
These proposals are not new to many of you. They have been shared with the Standing Committee on Social Programs during their review. The department has benefited from the frank and open discussion with the standing committee on the financial and program challenges facing the department. The comments and recommendations received from the standing committee have been incorporated in the main estimates before you today.
Non-government organizations which receive funding from the department will also be affected. The department can no longer fund the many service, advocacy, and professional organizations at current levels. They too will have to look at doing things differently or find alternative sources of funding. Today's main estimates are not all about reductions. They also say where the department will be spending in the coming year. Wellness and empowerment are key pillars of this government's agenda. We share the belief of the Standing Committee on Social Programs that community wellness is crucial to the health and well-being of the people of the Northwest Territories.
The department is working with envelope partners and the communities on many wellness projects, including developing a community wellness framework to guide the creation of community wellness action plans; redesigning the community action fund to bring more focus on specific community problems; consolidating health and social services at the regional level to help integrate programs and make resources flexible and give communities greater influence in determining how their programs are delivered; working with communities in taking a now approach to drug and alcohol programs and facilities; fast-tracking programs for children, youth and elders; reducing the number of clients in long-term institutional care by developing programs and services to encourage and promote independent living; and, repatriating clients and services from southern Canada to the NWT where appropriate.
Empowering communities is another important priority of the government. To further this goal, the department will work with Municipal and Community Affairs and Public Works and Services to transfer infrastructure to the communities; restructure health boards to increase local accountability; and introduce a funding formula to ensure equitable and flexible funding for health and social services programs.
I would like to repeat that the 1996-97 main estimates mark only the beginning of the task we face. Together with communities, boards, regions and other stakeholders, we must do more work over the coming months to meet our department's budget target for 1997-98. We must all play our part in protecting the northern health and social services system to ensure all northerners continue to have access to quality care close to home.
Thank you for this opportunity to speak to the main estimates. I welcome questions on our submission later. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Ng. Mr. Erasmus.
Committee Report 4-13(3), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
Standing Committee On Social Programs Comments
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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to present the Standing Committee on Social Programs report on our review of the Department of Health and Social Services. The concept of community wellness has been well promoted during the past year. The standing committee strongly believes that community wellness is the right approach to addressing the myriad of social problems in our communities. However, the standing committee would now like to see action. The standing committee would like the government to move quickly and aggressively on making community wellness a reality, not just a theory. The Department of Health and Social Services is clearly the lead on this.
The standing committee supports the idea of community wellness centres as a gathering place for resources. This would accomplish three important objectives: First, it would make it easier for residents to access services since they would be located in the same place. Second, it would provide a natural support group for the front-line workers. These workers -- nurses, CSSWs, teachers, alcohol and drug workers -- currently often work in isolation; this increases the risk and rate of burn-out. Finally, community wellness centres would facilitate sharing ideas and resources and would make it easier for a community to focus the limited resources where that community needs them most. The standing committee hopes to see these centres included in the community wellness framework.
Within the past decade, the department created a number of regional specialist positions. These are in areas such as family violence specialist, child sexual abuse specialist, and alcohol and drug specialist. While the idea was to provide these services closer to the communities, these specialists are still distant from the day-to-day problems. The standing committee looks forward to additional information on potential new direction in this area as part of the wellness framework.
The department proposed a very ambitious slate of reductions and program changes. A number of these reductions are interrelated and will require a planned approach, particularly in the areas of repatriation of clients in southern institutions; foster care, alcohol and drug treatment and medical travel.
The department proposed a number of initiatives which have a direct or indirect impact on foster parents. In most communities, there is a limited supply of foster parents. Some of the proposals from the department indicate a need not only for more foster parents, but for foster parents who will need specialized training. The department plans to develop the foster care base to repatriate clients in southern institutions. The standing committee supports the repatriation efforts of the department. There must be a clear plan outlining how this will be accomplished and how competent trained foster families or other placements will be located for these children. The standing committee also encourages the department to limit short-term referrals to southern institutions.
The misuse of alcohol and drugs is directly related to the other social problems the NWT faces; from sexual abuse and other violent crimes, to rates of STDs, to absentee problems.
The standing committee wants to see a new approach to alcohol and drug treatment which is more consistent with community wellness. Given the very large expenditures for medical travel, the standing committee is pleased to see a number of initiatives within the department to try to get these costs under control.
The standing committee is also satisfied with the new approach to funding for non-government organizations. This approach seemed to be consistent with the principle of community empowerment, community wellness and supporting local organizations.
The department has committed to a number of reduction initiatives with very tight time frames. The standing committee is concerned about the potential for slippage in the deadlines required to achieve the reductions that were identified. With the current financial situation facing this government, departments must achieve the reductions they have proposed in the business plans and budget. The standing committee will be watching the progress of this department, along with the other departments in the social envelope, in meeting the budget targets. In part, this will be done through a review of the quarterly variance reports.
Mr. Chairman, this concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Social Programs for the department. Thank you.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. I will ask Mr. Ng if he would like to bring in witnesses.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Would the Sergeant-at-Arms escort the witnesses in?
Mr. Ng, would you introduce your witnesses to the committee?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my immediate right is Mr. Dave Ramsden, deputy minister; to my left, Mr. Warren St. Germaine, director of financial and management services. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Ng. I now open the floor to general comments by the Members. Would any Members wish to make general comments? Mr. Krutko.
General Comments
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My comments today are in relation to the outstanding issue of the Tl'oondih Healing Society and the fairness of how money is allocated and distributed, especially in the area of alcohol and drug rehabilitation and also southern institutions to which people have been sent in the past and still are being sent, such as to Bellwood, Poundmakers and other facilities in southern Canada. You state that this government would like to empower communities to look at new ways of doing things. I think this initiative that the Tl'oondih Healing Society has established is possibly one investment that this government could make with long-term returns in areas such as education, health, social services and justice, because these people who have attended these programs fit back into society and are making a real effort to help the communities by being employed and off of social assistance, and also out of the correctional facilities.
As I stated this morning, last year was the first year of operation for the Tl'oondih Healing Camp, which is operated by the Tl'oondih Healing Society. It's a registered charity organization in Canada. There were 152 people -- men, women, children and infants -- who participated in the program. Out of that, only four people dropped out of the program; for one reason or another.
This means that 97 per cent of those people who attended the Tl'oondih program stuck it out until the end, which is a five-week program.
They have a follow-up program which includes a 21-month follow-up for keeping in touch with the clients once they complete the program.
At this time, there is a waiting list which consists of 250 men, women and children who would like to enter this program. This program is the only one in Canada which encompasses the family.
At this time, the Tl'oondih Healing Camp has provided economic and employment opportunities to not only the community of Fort McPherson, but to other residents in the Territories, by offering them jobs in areas such as community mental health workers, therapists, administrators, cooks, camp maintenance people, adult counsellors, youth counsellors, child care workers and day care workers. The healing camp also hires people for cutting wood and transporting people and goods to the facility from Fort McPherson.
The program is unique and was established to motivate people to become more self-sufficient, independent and also deal with the family as a whole. This basically allows them to deal with issues such as physical abuse, mental abuse and also the long history of problems they have, especially in a lot of the aboriginal communities, from issues that may have happened years ago; from being put into the hostel systems, taken to southern institutions or to southern areas such as Fort Providence and Hay River where they had to attend school. The connection of the family unit was broken and still has not seemed to have recovered.
The savings to this government, from the families who have gone through this program, will be less burden on the system in future years by dealing with these problems today. These individuals will be able to contribute to the community and to society as a whole.
The annual budget for the Tl'oondih healing program is around $1.2 million which, compared to the other facilities in Hay River, Yellowknife and Iqaluit, for which your department has allocated something in the range of $300,000 for this year, which is not core funding....I would like to state that for the record. This is not core funding. This is money for services, for paying for clients to take the program. This program is for non-insured health benefits, so it's only for status Indians or Inuit.
At the present time, the Tl'oondih Healing Society is looking at corporate sponsors from southern Canada, and also in the North. They cannot continue to pay and operate a facility which is doing the public and this government a service which should be borne by this government since they do fund other institutions; not only in the Northwest Territories but also in Canada.
To date, the government has allocated around $4 million to fund four existing facilities in Hay River, Yellowknife, Iqaluit and Inuvik.
The Tl'oondih Healing Society is looking for $750,000 to operate that program. They are looking towards this government and also to other sources. My statement to the Minister with regard to this budget is that I would like to see the allocation done fairly and that they seriously consider the Minister's opening statement where they said the issues they're looking at are working with the communities to take new approaches to alcohol and drug programs and facilities. This is possibly one of the more promising initiatives that has been passed and developed in the Northwest Territories by northerners. This department should seriously look at this concept of healing the family as a unit, to deal with the other problems that are associated with families, the other issues you raised in your program: young offenders; having children put into homes; and, also dealing with the whole question of justice and the cost of putting people in correctional facilities which is a cost to this government. If we can find ways to avoid those types of issues and find new initiatives to accomplish that ... This is possibly one of the only initiatives to date that has gone out of the way, established something which is unique; to not only the Northwest Territories but to Canada. It has proven itself within the last year, looking at the statistics; they are looking at treatment in the context of an outstanding problem, the onus which is not only on the aboriginal people but has been imposed on them over time. They look at incarceration; the hostel systems; alcohol and drug problems that have basically taken a lot of lives in relation to suicides; and violence. This government should seriously take a look at this new initiative and I will be seriously pointing out these as we go through this budget today. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Ng, would you like to respond to the Member's comments?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'm not disputing the comments of the Member with respect to the value of the Tl'oondih program: Their treatment from a family versus an individual perspective; the fact that it creates employment and generally benefits participants through the program. As I indicated to the Member on several occasions, we have provided funding to them to date and we continue to provide funding to them. We are also looking at ways to try to increase some of the funding that would be available to them from other avenues. For example, our officials are coordinating a meeting between operators of the Tl'oondih operation and the medical community to try to make medical referrals accessible to clients so they can benefit from some additional clientele being paid through the medical referral avenues that were used. So we are attempting to work with the operators of the Tl'oondih operation to assist them in enhancing their funding. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
It's awfully nice to hear the Minister say that. There's a grin on my face, so I would like you to point that out to me as we walk through the budget. That way, I can identify where those additional resources will be coming from. Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
No thank you, Mr. Chairman. When it comes to that point, we'll point it out to the Member.
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I'll speak to the Minister's opening remarks. On page 2, the second-last paragraph, the Minister talks about renovations being under way in Jean Marie River, Trout Lake, Fort Providence, Fort Resolution, Arviat and Gjoa Haven; and Gjoa Haven is the one I would like to speak to, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, the people of Gjoa Haven are not new to disappointment, setbacks, bad news, letdown. During the 11th and 12th assemblies, a commitment was made from this government to build a new health centre in Gjoa Haven. I remember having to attend the meeting in Gjoa Haven with the hamlet council of Pelly Bay, with the honourable Premier of the government of the day. The Premier, at the time, had committed to build a new health centre in Gjoa Haven. The materials were ready to be shipped to that community. The hamlet council in attendance at that meeting were-very happy to know that within a few months, the new facility would be built for the community. Even the site to build that new centre was located by the hamlet council of Gjoa Haven. We wanted to celebrate the occasion of being told a new centre would be built, only to be told that the facility was being deferred for another year.
Mr. Chairman, it has been two or three years now since the commitment of this government for the community of Gjoa Haven. The structure of the old centre is too old. It may, Mr. Chairman, be substandard. Having to add a new section to the old building may not be an ideal thing to do. I say this because having to add a new section to an old building may, in fact, decrease the lifespan of the new structure because of the old building being unstable.
Mr. Chairman, I have talked with the hamlet council of Gjoa Haven on many occasions and have told the people that perhaps the next government will be able to provide a new building for that community.
Mr. Chairman, will the Minister indicate to this committee that a new centre, as was committed, will be built? Mr. Chairman, is it because that riding happens to be the riding of an ordinary MLA that we may not realize a new facility? Mr. Chairman, is it because the squeaky wheel gets the oil that we may not get that new building?
Mr. Chairman, I have other comments to make, but I would like to get a response from the honourable Minister. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As you know, when answering the concern of the honourable Member in the House on this issue, I had indicated that last fall there was a preliminary report provided by Public Works on the assessment of that Gjoa Haven Health Centre which indicated that a renovation would be adequate. Subsequent to that, the final report came in that was quite contrary to the initial one, which, as recently as less than two months ago, recommended a new facility for the hamlet of Gjoa Haven. Unfortunately, by that time, the department had revised their financial projections for that project based on that initial preliminary report to reflect a renovation of an amount of approximately $644,000. Our budget before you has that amount included because we haven't had the timing of the final report; it wasn't available to us. We are now in a quandary about what to do in this particular situation. The honourable Member mentioned it in the House and I offered to work with him and the municipal leaders in order to identify some options on how we can handle this situation.
Mr. Chairman, we can try to retain funds for this current fiscal year to carry over into next, and try to plan out some additional funding sources to meet the requirements. That would mean there would be no work in the municipality of Gjoa Haven on this particular project this year. It would mean we would have to come up with some additional financing for 1997-98. It is something I've recognized as an issue. As I stated in the House, I'm willing to work with the Member and the municipality to reach an accommodation that would be suitable regarding this issue.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the fiscal situation of this government. I also understand the dilemma the honourable Minister is faced with. I know there are needs in other communities. To come up with new money would mean one area of this jurisdiction would suffer. I also know there will be setbacks in coming up with new funding and that there would be no work for the community of Gjoa Haven this coming summer. I will move to the next area of concern.
Mr. Chairman, 25 per cent of the patients on medical travel to Yellowknife end up at the Kitikmeot Boarding Home. These people are usually unilingual elders and, in some cases, a unilingual elder travels without an interpreter/translator or escort. A patient travelling to Edmonton, via Yellowknife, informed me she was travelling alone. She is unilingual. I went to the airport to meet with her. She was travelling through Yellowknife on her way to Edmonton. Mr. Chairman, she didn't have an interpreter travelling with her. The RCMP officer from Pelly Bay was also travelling to southern Canada and I asked him if he would take care of her, to make sure she was picked up by medical personnel in Edmonton.
The following week the same RCMP officer informed me that if she hadn't been travelling with the patient, the patient would have been stuck at the Edmonton airport without an interpreter, unable to communicate with anyone. She would not have been able to phone anyone in Edmonton to make arrangements to get picked up and taken to a medical facility. What is the policy of this government? Is there a requirement written in the policy to allow an interpreter/translator to accompany a patient travelling to a larger centre from their community? Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Within the existing policy, escorts are allowed for unilingual people, elders and minors. Medical travel costs are the most significant cost component of our budget. This is one of the areas we've looked at. At the current time, medical travel, including the authorization of escorts, is within the mandate of the boards. To give them this authority has been a recent decision. This allows them the flexibility to recognize local individual interests of the patients they deal with. This is one of the areas we're trying to tighten up on. We are looking at allowing boards the flexibility to make those decisions on how they implement policies to attain some cost savings in this area; and, at the same time, recognizing that there's going to be unique exceptions to the rules that they would have to address on an occasional basis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Mr. Chairman, I would like to conclude by saying I'll communicate with Gjoa Haven regarding the offer of the Minister to work with the community and myself. I will relay the message from the Minister to the community of Gjoa Haven and get back to the Minister in the near future on what the community is willing to do with the amount of money that is allocated to build a health centre. Thank you.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to working with the Member and the community on this. Thank you.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I welcome the comments by the Minister in his support for the women's shelters. I would encourage the Minister to continue to seek funds for wage increases and continued professional development for the staff. I cannot overly emphasize the support for the professional development, and for the staff at the shelters who are in very stressful positions everyday. I would also encourage the Minister to continue to look at the proposals for amalgamating the different boards of health we have in the Northwest Territories; hopefully, in the field of reducing administration costs and honorariums paid to said different boards and agencies. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the honourable Member's comments. We're aware of the issue with respect to the health boards, the administrative and honorarium costs, and generally the whole relationship of health boards as it relates to community empowerment. This is one of the areas, through the community empowerment initiative. We are taking a serious look at how these boards would make their linkages with communities so that they could be more representative, or able to have a stronger relationship with the municipalities which their board members represent.
In respect to the wages and benefits for women's shelters, this has been an historical problem. Although I can emphasize with the workers this is a difficult issue to deal with overnight in light of our fiscal situation, we are hoping that through the transfer of many of these facilities to the municipal governments that they have that flexibility to deal with the employees on a longer term basis. When they put together their community priorities they should be able to spread the resources as they feel their own priorities determine. I would hope these types of facilities would receive their due recognition. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Edward Picco Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I respect and understand what the Minister is saying. Hopefully in some jurisdictions where the municipal governments take over the shelters will be good. As we know, in many cases, non-profit societies are running these shelters. On the area of professional development, is the Minister still committed to helping the staff with professional development, and helping with their stressful situations?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I recognize the need for professional development. We are planning on addressing this through our human resource development plan. We want to provide as much support as possible to all health and social workers. Thank you.
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Michael Miltenberger Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to make some brief general comments. I share the department's interest and concern about amalgamation of community wellness and empowerment, especially at the community level which is where we will be able to realize the greatest changes and improvements. I also will be watching very closely in the area of legislation, specifically the child welfare area. That legislation has been in the works for four years and it is long overdue. By the time it comes up for review, it may need to be brought up to date.
Another issue which the Minister didn't refer to in his opening comments but I think is very important -- especially in the Department of Health and Social Services -- is the whole issue of information systems; financial and otherwise. Child welfare information is one which came up. However, there are things such as the relationship between FIS and ORMED, and general coordination to different areas within the Department of Health and Social Services' health records. These are currently done in some jurisdictions through Manitoba.
I support the privatization of Trailcross as opposed to the closure of the facility. There's a lot of concern in the community of Fort Smith and by the staff regarding this. I would like to stay in close touch with the department to make sure this is handled in as compassionate and sensitive a manner as possible.
Mr. Chairman, the committee indicated a concern about slippage. The targets that were given in terms of budget reductions and the concern that they were very ambitious predicated a lot of variables that we may not be able to control, such as the availability of foster placements. If we're going to meet our targets and comply with the Deficit Elimination Act -- even though it may get amended -- it is going to take a lot of resolve and hard work. This is another area I'm very interested in as we begin reviewing variances and work with the department through the course of the coming year to try to realize their business plan as put forward. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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The Chair Vince Steen
Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Ng, do you wish to respond to the Member's comments?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The honourable Member brings up numerous points. I'll respond to them as best I can. With respect to legislation for child welfare and adoption legislation, we're planning to put this forward to the House this fall; we've recognized the importance of this. As the Member said, it has been worked on for the past several years. This has been a priority of the department and will be coming forward.
With respect to the financial information, FIS and ORMED, there are different systems. Although we recognize there are two different systems, we are trying to work on establishing a basic information system where one system can correlate with the other without having to totally revise one or the other in order to be able to access information between ORMED and other boards who use a different system.
Regarding the privatization initiative of Trailcross; as the Member knows, we've been keeping him informed on the progress to date. We've advised the employees of the intentions regarding Trailcross. We will be continuing to work with the Member and the community to make sure that the impact of this is minimal.
Regarding the Member's comments on business plan targets and the possibility of slippage, we recognize this. It is something which we are fully aware of. We plan on keeping a close monitor of the situation and having to adjust, if necessary, during the course of the year, some of our business plan initiatives or programs, if required, to make sure that we meet our targets we've been assigned. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a few words I'd like to share. I'm very grateful we have treatment centres in our homeland. These are very helpful. I'm grateful for these facilities. I would like to see this as being an ongoing process. It is very important for people to get healed. Regarding the women's centres, I know we will not have enough resources to run these centres in the future, especially the women's shelters. When women are sent to shelters there is a mistake made at times. You are unable to speak to that certain person and they cannot speak to anybody. They have to leave the community. The victim has to leave the community. They must leave their children behind. Sometimes they are able to take their babies with them. I feel the offender should be the one sent out of the community instead of sending the women away. If the men are the offenders, then they should be sent away. I feel this would be much better because it is the children who are suffering most of all when this happens. At times they leave them with relatives -- usually the grandparents -- and they must suffer along with their grandchildren. I feel that if we start thinking of counsellors in the community instead of paying a victim's way out of the community, we can appoint certain people to do the counselling or to review who should be going out to the shelters. I think we could be saving a lot of money if we use the proper human resources. I feel that this is very important.
For the people who commit suicide, is there any kind of review that we could do? Is it alcohol that is causing suicides or is it drugs? When you mix alcohol and drugs, maybe this is the reason. I always question what causes it. When I was young, it was very scary to even think about death. In the past, the elders have done that; but today it is completely different. When the elders start feeling useless, this is what happened in the past. I always wonder or question what causes suicide. Do they start having hallucinations or what is it? Maybe it's from movies where they kill each other. Has there even been a survey done? This is not really a question, this just worries me a lot. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the honourable Member's comments about the victims having to leave the community in family violence
situations, I totally agree with the Member that we are penalizing the victim. In most cases, it's the females who are abused and they and their children taken out of the community while the perpetrator is still walking around in the community a lot of the time. It is an issue that, as the new Justice Minister, I've actually spoken to my staff on; whether or not we could legally do anything about it.
I think what it comes back to, Mr. Chairman, is community acceptance or community non-acceptance of these types of situations. I think how we have to deal with it is when communities are given the authority or have their increased their capability to perform some of the community supervision functions through the community justice initiative that Justice is working on, in conjunction with our department, we have to have the community take the lead in dealing with their own constituents and saying that this type of action isn't appropriate and having them instigate measures that would have the perpetrators removed from the community instead of the victims. I think it's a process that has to be seeded and developed over the coming years, but I think that's where this type of behavioural pattern has to be addressed, Mr. Chairman.
With respect to the honourable Member's comments about a survey or review of the suicide issue -- which is a very serious issue throughout the Northwest Territories -- and what causes it, nobody has the real answer. I think it can be contributed a lot to lifestyles; personal relationships; personal circumstances of your own affairs; whether you're employed or unemployed; whether you're housing situation is overcrowded; whether there have been incidents of abuse in your life in the past. There are all sorts of factors that are contributors to suicide.
I can say that we have put emphasis on additional suicide prevention training programs, in recognizing the seriousness of the problem. The Dene Cultural Institute, in conjunction with Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, are very active in helping to deliver the training program as far as suicide prevention. We are involved with them on a steering committee in development of the program and the ongoing delivery of these types of programs, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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(Translation) I thank the Minister very much for this information. With regard to the houses that have too many people living in them, making for an overcrowded situation, it is true; but some of it isn't true. Young people who have not developed their own frame of mind have their own houses now, too. Maybe if they would live with their parents, their parents would be more sensitive to their problems. Some of the laws can account for that, that the parents are not responsible for young people anymore, even young people who are teenagers. When we were young, we were not allowed to live in our own houses. They live all alone with no supervision. When they are alone, that's when they commit suicide. That's the part that I would like to comment on. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, Mr. Chairman, I recognize that being alone and being perceived as having no family support or peer support is also one of the contributing factors of suicide. Thank you.
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Floyd Roland Inuvik
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You have stated a number of times already on the concern of targets set, and I believe there's going to be a need to be aggressive in trying
o accomplish these. I am concerned when it comes to a number of different issues, one being health boards with the amount of reductions they've been taking. With regard to the Budget Address, we've seen that things are fairly inequitably done. I will have some questions later on the detailed area of this as to the amount of reductions to different boards.
I also have concerns with the hospitals in Inuvik and Iqaluit about how the issues are going to be played out in the next little bit. I think we've started off in a direction that's very aggressive by the department, which is good to see, but I do have concerns with the effect in the community, possibly, of front-line positions and workers and services available to communities. As the Standing Committee on Social Programs, we tried hard to work with this issue.
I just wanted to make a few comments in the area of fairness and equity amongst the communities and regions, and I'll be directing questions as we go on. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Roland. There was no question, right?
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HAIRMAN (Mr. Ningark): Thank you. General comments. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, my general comments are centred around concerns expressed by some of my elders with regard to the type of treatment they receive when they are in the health centres in the communities and when the doctors visit; possibly once a month.
Mr. Chairman, elders expressed concern that they don't feel that the quality of doctors is quite what it should be. They feel that the doctors are way too young to be very experienced in the field. They also feel that they are nothing more than a piece of meat that is being examined. They think that there is no personal relationship between the doctor and the patient. A lot of it is because they feel the doctors change so often that they never really get to know the patient. It has been stated by elders that when the doctors do come to examine them, they don't even look at the patient; they actually only look at the report from the previous doctors. The patients get the impression that if the last doctor recommended a certain type of pill and it didn't
work, then this guy is going to try a different one again. That way, they're really nothing more than guinea pigs.
They don't know how to have their concerns brought forward to the proper people, without actually insulting the doctors or the system. They don't wish to insult the doctors and they don't wish to insult the system, but they feel that there should be some way that this could be resolved.
In one particular case where this concern was brought to the attention of the authorities, these members were kind of put down by the health centre for having gone over their heads. I don't think this is the proper way to address the problem, and I hope the Minister will take this into consideration.
I also have concerns with regard to the ability of this government to supply proper doctors. I understand that it has been suggested in the past that doctors should be stationed in the larger communities. It has been suggested that nurses do not want to take the responsibility themselves when ruling on a case; therefore, they simply send them on to the head hospitals in Inuvik or Yellowknife. Part of this is driving up the costs of transportation. I feel that, if possible, this government should have been looking at stationing doctors or interns in the communities, as well as nurses. This would probably be offset by the cost of the number of patients having to be sent south, basically for just an examination.
I had one elder approach me not too long ago where he wasn't really clear why he was sent to Yellowknife. He thought it was for a haircut because that's all he got out of it, and he would thank the government for the haircut. That's the type of thing that could be resolved, simply by putting doctors in the communities and thereby establishing a close relationship with the patients so they know them and the patients are then more responsive to the doctor. Obviously, this would be beneficial all around. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Minister, would you like to respond to the honourable Member?
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the honourable Member's first issue about quality of physicians' services, I think he raises a valid point. If there are problems, I would suggest that Members of the public advise their community health representatives to take it upon their behalf, to speak to the nurse in charge in the health centres. If they have to, they could bring it up through the municipal councils or through the health board representative of the community.
There is even a recognition of this problem within the medical community itself. They have a medical board of inquiry that investigates and deals with complaints about professionalism and quality issues of their members. We're working with them in trying to establish a 1-800 number to the medical board of inquiry, so that individuals throughout the Territories will have access to file any grievances that they may have about services that they receive from physicians. So that is one area that's in the works right now.
With respect to the Member's suggestion about having physicians located in every communities, I think that's a bit impractical now. We're having problems even recruiting long-term physicians in the major centres, let alone in the smaller communities, as it stands now. In talking to physicians since I became the Health Minister, part of the problem is that they're reluctant to be a sole physician within one community because they don't have the ability to receive secondary advice from another professional to make sure that the diagnosis is correct and that the action that they're proposing is correct. I think in the long term, with respect to recruitment of physicians for some of the larger regional centres to provide that support to nurse practitioners in the smaller communities, we may be able to address that problem through the future benefits of telemedicine that we're working on, in conjunction with our partners in Education and through the Financial Management Board Secretariat; freeing up, through modern technology, that capability. So the recruitment of physicians is an issue that we're fully aware of. It's one that we're going to continue to work on, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Minister. General comments. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, I understand that recruiting of physicians is not a new problem. Could the Minister explain what the problem is in recruiting physicians?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Steen. The honourable Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I alluded to earlier, part of the problem is having physicians for one-man operations is having that lack of support from a peer. The other problem is the fact that we're the Northwest Territories and we have a lot of smaller communities. It's no problem in some of the larger centres, like Yellowknife and Hay River. Even now, there's recognition that there may be some problems in that some of the longer-term positions are moving on, and the possibility of getting longer-term commitments from other physicians may be a problem. So we're competing with a lot of southern jurisdictions, competing with other countries, in some cases. So it's an historical problem that we have and we continue to recognize. Thank you.
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Thank you. General comments. Mr. Steen.
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Vince Steen Nunakput
Mr. Chairman, just for clarification, my appreciation is expressed to the nurses who do fill the positions in the communities and I appreciate the work that they do but, at the same time, in the larger communities, some consideration should be put forward to compare the price of travel versus having a doctor stationed in the communities. I understand from talking to some people that there are a fair number of doctors overseas who are willing to come to Canada to practice but, for some reason or other, the medical profession has basically stopped their ability to practice in Canada. I'm not too clear on that. Maybe the Minister could comment on that.
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Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Mr. Chairman, I'll ask the deputy minister to speak to this one. Thank you.
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Mr. Ramsden.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is consideration being given to changing the mix of physicians in the NWT, in terms of numbers and their locations. I think what is important to note, simply put, is more doctors are not what the department considers to be the answer to success. In many cases, what we see as a shortfall is the kind of training and back-up supports that the nurses in the communities have themselves.
With respect to recruitment of foreign physicians, the issue is not one of absolute refusal to deal with foreign physicians. There is a clear concern where the physicians have come from; universities or institutions where there aren't preexisting agreements for verification of qualifications. Foreign doctors need to pass competency tests before they're allowed to practise in Canada. I think that is what is seen as more of a practical stumbling block to attracting foreign doctors from particular countries. Thank you.
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Thank you. General comments. The honourable for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is similar to Mr. Steen's. There seems to be a lot of concerns, especially with cancer patients, that they seem to be evaluated when it's too late. They find out that they have cancer and, by that time, it's pretty well a foregone conclusion that they'll pass on. No offence to the doctors or the nurses, but I wonder if there's a method that we could use. You mentioned in your statement about the new technology of being able to use satellites and communicate with other doctors in other areas; Yellowknife or wherever. It seems like a lot of these patients go to the hospital time and time again, complaining that they feel sick, they give them medicine, send them home and they come back a week or a month later and the same complaints are there. By the time they determine that there may be something wrong, the individual is sent to Yellowknife or wherever. At that time is when they're evaluated as having cancer. It seems to be a real concern in a lot of the smaller communities; finding a new method to catch this thing prior to having a long time frame passing. I don't know what the methods are for determining cancer, but X-rays used to be how they used to do it in the past. It could be mandatory that once these people go there, instead of just giving them pills, you take an X-ray and you send it out and hope it will catch the disease instead of it carrying on for a couple of months before it is evaluated. Maybe the Minister or one of your colleagues could help me out here, to try to find a new way of dealing with people's complaints and also dealing with the whole question of cancer.
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Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
I'll ask Mr. Ramsden to speak to this.
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Mr. Ramsden.
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Ramsden
Mr. Chairman, there's no question that the prevalence of cancer is one of grave concern to the people within the department, as I know it is with residents of the NWT. Rather than speaking to new methods, I think the office of the chief medical health officer and the people who are in the public health side of the health and social service system are putting a lot of energy into making people in the health system aware of the various methods of early detection. I think early detection, as the Member spoke to, is critical to the success rate in terms of helping people get over their cancer. We have cancer as a registerable disease, so that we require that all cases of cancer are registered so they get prominence and so that the physicians in the system are aware of people who are suffering, but also that we are aware of trends in the NWT.
We're using a publication called "Epi North" which is a newsletter that goes to all people in the health and social services system. The editorial is to have a section dedicated to cancer and early detection in every issue of that newsletter, so that the various opportunities that people have to assist in early detection are made known and are kept current in people's minds. Those are particularly areas where there is a lot of energy being put.
I think it is equally relevant that people understand where the at-risk populations are and what constitutes "at-risk." So there is a lot of work, both within the North and across Canada, to identify people who are more susceptible than others and focus energies on those at-risk populations. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. General comments. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My other question has to do with monitoring and trying to evaluate where some of these cancer-causing components could come from. My concern with the water question in McPherson is with regard to traces within the water and also the usage of chlorine over the last number of years; the possible connection of that to cancer. This is something that the community should look at with regard to ... You say you're in charge of health, environment and monitoring. As a department, do you evaluate water or do you just leave that up to the Department of Public Works? When it becomes a health issue, do you guys seriously look at the possible effects it may have?
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through our health monitoring, we ensure our drinking water adheres to the Canadian drinking water guidelines, as the honourable Minister of Public Works and Services stated to the honourable Member earlier today. We ensure that the quality of water is there for public consumption, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
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Thank you. General comments. Mr. Krutko.
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David Krutko Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So your department does not have any say or interest in water quality; you leave that to the Department of Public Works.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. Mr. Minister.
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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot
Sorry, Mr. Chairman. We're responsible for the quality of water standards, in conjunction with standards of the NWT Water Board that sets guidelines for drinking water. Thank you.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. General comments. Mr. Miltenberger.
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The Chair John Ningark
Thank you. There is a motion to report progress. The motion is not debatable. All those in favour of reporting progress, please signify. All those opposed? The motion is carried.
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I will rise and report progress. Thank you, Mr. Minister and the witnesses.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
The House will come back to order. Item 20, report of Committee of the Whole. Mr. Ningark.
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John Ningark Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 11 and Committee Report 4-13(3), and would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of Committee of the Whole be concurred with. Thank you.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. The motion is seconded by Mr. Picco. Your motion is in order, Mr. Ningark. To the motion.
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An Hon. Member
Question.
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.
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Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, Mr. Clerk, orders of the day.
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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, there will be a meeting of subcommittees A and B of the Standing Committee on Government Operations at 2:15 this afternoon. Meetings for Tuesday, May 21st, the Standing Committee on Government Operations at 9:00 a.m.; Caucus at 10:30 a.m.; and, Ordinary Members at 11:30 a.m.
Orders of the day for Tuesday, May 21, 1996:
1. Prayer
2. Ministers' Statements 3. Members' Statements
4. Returns to Oral Questions
5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery
6. Oral Questions
7. Written Questions
8. Returns to Written Questions
9. Replies to Opening Address
10. Petitions
11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees
12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills
13. Tabling of Documents
14. Notices of Motion
15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills
16. Motions
- Motion 9-13(3), Removal and Recovery of Consumer Price Index Increase to Members' Allowances and Expenses
- Motion 10-13(3), Removal and Recovery of Consumer Price Index Increase to Members' Allowances and Expenses
17. First Reading of Bills
- Bill 15, Statute Revision Act
- Bill 16, An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act, No. 2
- Bill 17, Business Corporations Act
18. Second Reading of Bills
19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and
Other Matters
- Bill 8, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act
- Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97
- Committee Report 1-13(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 2-13(3), Standing Committee on Infrastructure Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 3-13(3), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Committee Report 4-13(3), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates
- Tabled Document 1-13(3), Report of the Commission on MLA Compensation
20. Report of Committee of the Whole
21. Third Reading of Bills
22. Orders of the Day
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan
Thank you. I would like to wish the Members a good long weekend. This House stands adjourned until 1:30 p.m. on Tuesday, May 21, 1996.
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