This is page numbers 732 - 780 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was ---agreed.

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Hon. Jim Antoine, Hon. Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Hon. Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Hon. Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Hon. Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Hon. Don Morin, Hon. Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 77-13(3): Wind Generation Initiatives
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to advise the Legislature of recent initiatives which may see the addition of wind generation in more Arctic communities.

New technology, more stringent environmental conditions, sustained high fuel costs and emerging business interests are creating this opportunity. It is time for the NWT Power Corporation to make its commitment to proving that wind energy can be a viable part of the North's power supply.

The corporation is developing business arrangements in several communities with aboriginal and private sector investors, and the governments of both the Northwest Territories and Canada.

In Sachs Harbour and lqaluit, the corporation is working with government and aboriginal interests to install and evaluate 50-kilowatt wind turbines. Talks are also under way with private sector investors for similar installations in Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay.

In Coppermine, the corporation will fund two 80-kilowatt turbines which are expected to be on line this fall. And in Yellowknife, the corporation will assist with setting up measuring equipment to evaluate the potential of a wind farm.

Mr. Speaker, where the right weather conditions exist, wind technology can help reduce dependence on diesel generation and create new business. It also offers major environmental savings. The proposed arrangements could see the Power Corporation purchase power at rates that would allow cost recovery and a reasonable return on investment. Even where these rates may be higher than the avoided cost of diesel, the corporation will consider paying a premium in order to advance this new technology.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise the Assembly that an operations unit has been created to focus engineering and planning expertise on wind and other alternative energy projects. The four-person energy utilization group will be headquartered in Hay River and has a two-year mandate. It will assist customers, developers and the corporation in coordinating efforts aimed at making better use of energy technology for all northerners. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 77-13(3): Wind Generation Initiatives
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' Statement. Mr. Morin.

Minister's Statement 78-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson will be absent from the House today to attend the National Status of Women's Conference in Winnipeg. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 78-13(3): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Rate Of Pay For Student Summer Employment
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past few days in the House, there have been some discussions and statements concerning wages for summer students. I, for one, am pleased to see that the proposal to reduce said wage scale for students was dropped from the government proposal during the recent collective bargaining negotiations.

Mr. Speaker, if a student is hired to replace a worker, that student will be judged on the abilities that they bring to the job and thus will be remunerated as such. They should not be penalized for being a student because, at the end of the day, the more money the student makes the less money that student will need from the GNWT in the form of grants and other financial help. It would also help the student in the debt load they will have to carry to pursue their academic or vocational training. Mr. Speaker, I see no problem with this.

We have to realize that the GNWT, by hiring students for summer replacement at the designated rate for said occupation, will not only monetarily help the student, but will also give the individual a sense of worth in the occupation they are employed at. Our community was quick to react in early March when it was learned that the students may be paid less. Several parents and students contacted me because they had anticipated working for the GNWT and thus the anticipated pay to be received would help offset the cost of post- secondary education to the students and parents. By dropping the rates, some Members have alluded to the idea that this would stimulate the government hiring more students. But, if, for example, the government only has 12 available positions to be filled for summer relief, are we going to invent extra positions to place students because we've lowered the student employment salary rate? 1 don't think so. In the private sector world, there may be an opportunity to hire more students when the salary rates are lower, but that is out of the context of decreasing the rates for summer hires by the GNWT.

I congratulate the government for dropping the proposal to lower student rates for the reasons I have just mentioned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Rate Of Pay For Student Summer Employment
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk.

Appreciation Of Interpreter/translators
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say thank you that I was able to participate during session, and especially to the interpreter/translators who worked exceptionally hard. I am the only unilingual Member in this House; there are three of them at times who translate all the material and interpret during the House. I wish to thank the interpreter/translators. Thank you.

Appreciation Of Interpreter/translators
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Review Of Report On MLA Compensation
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Speaker, one of the few items remaining for consideration in Committee of the Whole is the report on MLA compensation. Mr. Speaker, with the support of my fellow Members, I had placed this item back on the order paper and this was in response to concerns raised by some of my constituents that there had not been enough public debate on this item.

When the report on the MLA compensation was tabled by the Speaker, we realized there were many issues which needed to be discussed. These included both monetary and non-monetary items. It was clear we would need time to look carefully at the recommendations and how they fit in with the new way the Assembly has been operating. As a Caucus, we agreed that it was important to make some decisions quickly. In order to lead by example, we decided to approach our compensation by dealing with the big monetary items: salaries, indemnities and pensions. We cut our salary and indemnities by seven per cent and we eliminated the supplementary pension plan, cutting our pensions by 60 per cent and bringing them in line with other people working as part of the government.

Mr. Speaker, my colleagues and I do not feel that we would be doing justice to the work that went into this report or to the concerns of our constituents about a public discussion if we were to rush this report through today on the last day of the House business before the summer. Instead, we intend to take time over the summer, hearing the concerns and suggestions of our constituents on the MLA compensation report. When we return in October, we can deal with this report in the House, giving it the time and attention that it deserves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Review Of Report On MLA Compensation
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Substance Abuse Among NWT Youth
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Many of us are no doubt aware there is a major problem with substance abuse among our youth in the NWT. This is reflective of the problem with substance abuse in the NWT overall. As the society of tomorrow will be built on today's youth, it is imperative that we focus preventative and treatment programs for our youth.

In the current fiscal climate of restraints and cutbacks, it is inevitable that choices have to be made as to which programs and services will be funded. It is also imperative that programs be coordinated to get the most efficient outcome for the money spent. Because funding for some programs such as youth solvent abuse has been provided by the federal government, access to treatment has been restricted to youth of aboriginal descent. This has neglected the needs of youth of non-aboriginal descent who are equally at risk from substance abuse.

By focusing on all youth under the umbrella of community wellness, we will be investing in the future of the NWT by providing the necessary services to our youth affected by substances, drug and alcohol abuse. I will be asking questions of the Minister of Health later on today, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

Substance Abuse Among NWT Youth
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act
Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My comments are with regard to a statement I made at the beginning of the session as to looking at amendments to the NWT Wildlife Act and also the Bankruptcy Act. Currently, the NWT legislation defines the maximum fine of $1,000 or one year imprisonment, or both.

With regard to section 83, section 91 of the act titled 'general punishment,' outlines that the fine not exceed $1,000 or imprisonment of a term not to exceed one year. Because of that, there is inconsistency in the act. I made contacts in the Yukon territory and a section of their legislation outlines the range from $1,000 to $25,000, depending on the nature of the offence. In discussions with the Yukon government, it is clear that even those amounts are insufficient. The Yukon government is once again looking at updating its legislation and the fines that are in place to date.

I am sure you would agree that wildlife is one of the most valuable resources we have in the North. Not only does it provide an economic base and a food source for many communities, but it is also unique to our northern culture and the way of life. By not increasing these fines, I fear that the NWT will become a prime territory for poachers, illegal hunters and a host of related problems that are associated with that trade which is presently taking place, especially in southern Canada.

I have been in touch with the Minister on the matter, working along with his department, to look at these amendments for the fall session.

With regard to the Bankruptcy Act, I've noted that there is a real discrepancy; especially in the North where we talk about beekeepers and protecting people's cattle, et cetera.

Mr. Speaker, can I ask for unanimous consent to conclude my statement?

Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Krutko.

Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the Bankruptcy Act, the way it's drafted, the items do not associate with the North, especially when you look at items such as beekeepers, farms, cattle, et cetera. I would like to, along with my colleagues, have input into this process to consider looking at the lifestyles we live in in the North and protecting items such as hunting, trapping, tools, guns, nets, skidoos and all-terrain vehicles; so when people claim bankruptcy, they are left with items that they can continue on with the lifestyle where they need these accessories to carry out their day-to-day activities, especially in a lot of the smaller communities.

I will continue to work over the summer on these two amendments to have something ready for the fall session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Amendments To Wildlife Act And Bankruptcy Act
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

Completion Of Dogrib Power Snare Cascades Hydro Plant
Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to advise the Legislature that the Dogrib Power Corporation's Snare Cascades hydro plant has reached a significant stage towards completion. Mr. Speaker, for about 15 minutes on Monday afternoon of this week, the Yellowknife power system received its first energy from this important new facility. The amount of power was small, about one megawatt, but it's important because it marks the first successful test of the plant's full capacity, which will be 4.3 megawatts.

Representatives of the Dogrib Power Corporation and the NWT Power Corporation advise the testing procedure will continue for the next few weeks, leading up to the scheduled completion date of July 1 st. When tests are completed and the plant is declared ready, it will be handed over to the NWT Power Corporation as the operators and maintainers for the next 65 years.

I am also pleased to advise, Mr. Speaker, that this project came within the projected budget of $26.5 million. This project is a partnership of both the Dogrib Nation and the Government of the Northwest Territories. It represents a development that combines the interest and the needs of the aboriginal people of the region and the NWT Power Corporation.

For the customers in Yellowknife, Rae-Edzo and Dettah, it will supply clean, efficient power for decades to come. I know that I speak for all the Dogrib people, as the owners of this plant, and congratulate the planners and builders and those who have helped make this project a reality. I wish them continued success in this completion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Completion Of Dogrib Power Snare Cascades Hydro Plant
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien.

Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election
Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I look back over the past seven months since our election, I am overwhelmed by the sheer volume of information we have had to deal with in such a short period of time. Since October, we have dealt with 18 pieces of legislation, 30 formal motions, 75 petitions, 85 tabled documents and there were 450 oral questions. In amongst those smaller items, we have examined, reviewed and all but passed a $1.25 billion budget.

I think I speak for all the new Members when I say we are all looking forward to the summer; especially looking forward to letting events and the business of the last few months sink in, as it relates to where we have been and where we are going.

When we first arrived in November for orientation sessions, we knew we had a lot to learn. At this point in time, we have learned most of what we should have, but we still have a ways to go. We certainly aren't as polished as our veteran leaders, the Members across the floor, but we are working on it.

We are now much more comfortable in the House, in our standing committees and in carrying out the business of the Assembly in general. At times, I have looked across the floor at my fellow Members with a bit of envy, as most of these Members had previous experience and already know how the system works. I know they haven't had an easy time, for the most part, as Cabinet Ministers, but at least they have had a fairly easy time dealing with us rookies, given the difficult time with the fiscal situation we find ourselves in, albeit we are glad they didn't have a group of more experienced new Members to deal with.

We now know, for the most part, how the system works and I believe, when we come back in the new session, that the Members across the floor will have a more experienced group of Members to deal with. When it comes to the budget process, we will see that the budget will be much more scrutinized and hopefully better distributed to the smaller communities.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? You have unanimous consent, Mr. O'Brien.

Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election
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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In conclusion, I would like to say that the next budget process will be more scrutinized and that hopefully it will be a lot better distributed amongst the smaller communities. We will be dealing with and focusing on the budget, more from a need standpoint rather than a greed standpoint.

Mr. Speaker, just to inform our honourable colleagues across the floor, the honeymoon is over. Have a good rest this summer and get ready for the next session. Thank you.

---Applause

Large Volume Of Information Dealt With Since The General Election
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.