This is page numbers 157 - 188 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Samuel Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable John Todd, Honourable Manitok Thompson

God, we ask for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent.

Minister's Statement 26-13(4): Education Week
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Merci, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Members are no doubt aware, this week we are celebrating Education Week in the Northwest Territories. The purpose of Education Week is to increase the public's understanding of the importance of education, and to highlight the work of education bodies and schools in providing high-quality education for NWT students. To stress the important link between the education system and the community, this year's theme is Education - A Community Partnership.

Today, I want to highlight a few of the many Education Week activities taking place across the Territories.

Moose Kerr School in Aklavik has a full schedule of events planned. Students have invited the community to a fish bake and will hold drum dance demonstrations throughout the week. One class has made placemats on the value of education, and donated them to a local cafe.

To help people in Inuvik understand the links between the community and the education system, activities have included a scavenger hunt that took participants to the offices of nine organizations which are partners in education.

There are many activities in the Sahtu region also, including a science fair at Chief T'Selihye School in Fort Good Hope, parent and child sessions at the Computer Club at Chief Albert Wright School in Tulita, a speech about the importance of staying in school by a representative of the Department of National Defence in Norman Wells, photo day for students and families at Colville Lake School, and a radio phone-in program on education partnerships in Deline.

The Chief Sunrise Education Centre on the Hay River Reserve and Joseph Burr Tyrrell School in Fort Smith are focusing on reading throughout this week. The principal of Deninoo School in Fort Resolution will give a public presentation on empowering the community in education.

Students in Arviat have a number of assignments planned that encourage them to think about things they learn at home and in the community.

Mr. Speaker, the whole community is a place of learning. People in the communities are the ones who should create a vision for learning and make decisions about it. Education Week is an excellent opportunity for people to learn more about education programs in their community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 26-13(4): Education Week
Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi.

Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On August 8, 1996, the Premier and the federal Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development announced a joint commitment to develop a Protected Areas Strategy for the NWT by the end of 1998.

The people of the north have expressed a need for a balance between conservation and development. Finding this balance is perhaps the most critical task facing the new Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. We need a strong economy to support and provide opportunities for all our people. However, we also need to identify and protect a range of representative and unique natural areas. Protecting these areas is important to maintaining biodiversity, and the rich natural and cultural values which contribute to our quality of life.

This government has accepted the challenge of leading the process of developing a Protected Areas Strategy. We will work cooperatively with the federal government, aboriginal organizations, land claimant boards, environmental representatives, the mineral, oil and gas sector as well as commercial fishing, tourism and forestry interests. Communities and the public will also have an important role to play.

Mr. Speaker, in an effort to begin to develop these partnerships, I have invited groups to a conference in Inuvik during the first week of March. The purpose of this conference is to establish a cooperative approach to developing a strategy. At this stage we need to hear from many different voices and we need to provide a forum for these voices to hear each other and to find common understanding. For the strategy to be successful in defining natural areas which northerners most value, people must work together.

The NWT is in a strong position. We have an advantage over every other jurisdiction in Canada, as most of the Northwest Territories remain undeveloped. We have the unique opportunity of combining scientific and traditional knowledge.

Mr. Speaker, the development of a Protected Areas Strategy will be a lasting contribution from this government to the people of the north and Canada. I look forward to a successful and productive conference in Inuvik. Mahsi.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi. Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Mr. Steen.

Tobacco Revenues
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to make a statement in response to the statement made by the Minister of Health yesterday, on Weedless Wednesday. Mr. Speaker, I think the statement made by the Minister is very good. It addresses the problems we have with our children picking up the habit of smoking. I do not condone this habit, and I encourage children in my area not to smoke when I see them doing it, particularly my own kids. Mr. Speaker, this is a very good thing that we encourage the children not to smoke, but like everything else, those of us that do it know better than anybody else the results of this habit, and how hard it is to break this habit.

Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, the Minister identified that it cost society a lot of money in social and health problems in relation to smoking. Today, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister of Finance to identify the benefits of smoking, because like everything else there are two sides to a coin. I will be asking him to identify the amount of money and the amount of revenue that is received in taxes from those who do have the habit. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, he could address just what he is doing for the benefit of those who smoke, from this money that they get from us. I would also like to point out at this time that, like a Weedless Wednesday, perhaps there should be a Weedful Thursday. Thank you.

Tobacco Revenues
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to advise the House that I will not be in attendance in the House tomorrow. I will be leaving this evening to attend the 14th Canadian Presiding Officers Conference in Edmonton, Alberta on behalf of the Speaker, the Honourable Sam Gargan, who will stay here to fulfil his commitments in the Speaker's chair tomorrow. I have never been to a Presiding Officers Conference, but there will be business sessions. So, just so you do not think I am going there for a holiday, I will tell you what some of the business sessions are entitled, Management of Question Period, Relations between Speakers and Deputy Speakers, Development and Jurisdictions, on which I will be giving a report on the developments in our jurisdiction, Outreach Programs and Educational Initiatives by the House. There will be a round table on the outreach programs, and then I will be chairing a business session entitled, Designation of the Official Opposition and the presenter for that will be the Clerk from the Yukon. I am looking forward to this and will report back to the House, but that is the reason for my absence tomorrow. This is a close-by conference. I must say that there was one in Malaysia, Fredericton, New Brunswick and quite a number of locations. This is a much less exotic destination, but I am pleased to attend on behalf of the House. Thank you.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen. I wish you a safe trip. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq.

Housing Shortages In Smaller Communities
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleagues, I just wanted to make a statement regarding the lack of housing in our communities. For example, in my community in Clyde River, our bad housing situation is so obvious. Presently, the CBC had something on the air and also on the Northbeat, regarding the housing situation. What the program was showing, is based on the true facts about the housing problems. Last time when I was in my community in Clyde River, just recently, some families in their homes, for example, have 18 people in one household. If I were to visit one of my neighbours, I would see some families living in their house and the children would sleep on the floor because they are lacking rooms such as bedrooms. If we were to go to Clyde River to look at the little houses called matchboxes, they are still in existence. They were built in the early 1960s, when I was a child, and they are still in existence. They should not be in existence any more. Although they are very scarce in our area in Clyde River, they are still in existence. The problems with our housing, they cause numerous social, family problems and so on. There are numerous problems, and I would like to address some my concerns with our Minister for Housing a little later on. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

Housing Shortages In Smaller Communities
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Nunavut Revenue Generation Initiatives
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier in this House, I spoke about the continued reliance of this government on federal funds to operate our government. Approximately, 82 cents of every dollar spent by this government comes directly or indirectly from the federal government. On April 1, 1999, and beyond, the new government of Nunavut will be at about 98 cents of every dollar spent coming from the federal government. Mr. Speaker, this may seem at first to be pessimistic, but it need not be. The elected officials in Nunavut will have to explore new areas to bring new monies and new revenue generating possibilities. That is why I wrote several letters before Christmas to NTI, our MP Jack Anawak, and met with officials in Ottawa in November. I am pleased that three of my suggestions are now beginning to take off.

The Nunavut stamp idea has been brought forward to the Canada Post Corporation, the Nunavut coin has been forwarded on to the Honourable Diane Marlow in Ottawa, and the Premier of the Northwest Territories recently wrote to encourage and support the idea of declaring 1999 the year of Nunavut. This was followed by meetings I had with the heritage officials in Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, these ideas are beginning to take fruit, and new revenue streams are about to come into Nunavut. In Iqaluit, over the past several months, we have been continuing to work on our cold weather testing facility and enhancing the airport's ability to be marketed, in order to generate jobs and revenue to benefit our residents. We have to be pro-active in our approaches to developing new markets for our renewable resources such as fish, caribou, and seal products. The opportunity for further exploration and mineral finds seems to be very positive. Fur prices have never been higher this decade, yet fewer people are trapping. We should be looking at ways to have hunters and trappers encouraged to expand this area. A tax could be introduced on gambling or games of chance winnings. I will be asking the Minister of Finance about these areas later.

Mr. Speaker, while today, and maybe tomorrow, we will be in the throes of deficit reduction and lay-offs, we have to look for alternatives to our current situation. We have to pay today, for the largesse of previous governments and expenditures. Mr. Speaker, we have to offer the people of the Northwest Territories more than just lay-offs and cut-backs. That is not the legacy the 13th Assembly wants to be remembered for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Nunavut Revenue Generation Initiatives
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Levi Barnabas High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also have concerns directed to social services. There are social service recipients who have not received any assistance since December. Arctic Bay has requested for social service recipients to be continued in their community, because it is continued in some Baffin communities. Later on today I will be asking a question to the Minister responsible for Social Services, regarding this issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is in regards to the whole idea of community empowerment and also the accountability of communities. Right now, I find in my constituency, a real problem, especially in the cuts that have been put forth in regards to reductions to the water and sewage program. In one case, in the case of Aklavik, they were cut by $70,000. In Fort McPherson by $75,000. Those incidents are affecting, not only the municipalities to deal with their deficits, but also to try and get out of them. It is also affecting my constituents in regards to delivery of these important services.

In the case of Arctic Red where you have 10 individuals living in a home, having water delivered twice a week is a little bit rash, considering all the water we have in the north. I think that these type of incidents should not have to occur, especially in this age, and also with the resources that we have. In some cases, it is not exactly perfect drinking water, but we have to live with it. I will be asking the Minister later regarding letters that have been sent to her on behalf of the Municipal Councils in Aklavik, McPherson, and Tsiigehtchic, in regards to this problem that has arisen through the cuts to that program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in Fort Smith, there was a very informative community meeting held with people from a number of communities as well as four different jurisdictions: British Columbia, Alberta, the federal government, and, of course, the Northwest Territories. The issue had to deal with water and the fact that the western Arctic is the ultimate downstream jurisdiction, affected directly by the decisions of our neighbours in British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan. It was very clear that there was a significant impact by what is happening with the Bennett Dam. In addition, we found out there were record high snow falls and rainfalls last year.

To me, as an MLA, one of the biggest concerns was the very clear lack of coordination among the jurisdictions. When we got in that room for the meeting, it was the first time some of those officials had seen each other from the different jurisdictions or talked to each other, even though they are directly involved in the same kind of work in measuring and evaluating the same type of water systems. I am hoping that out of this meeting will come a method that we can have coordination of information so that there is warning of any changes to the river systems. I am hoping that the Minister for RWED will be able to work with his officials to push the other jurisdictions to develop a daily working relationship. In the long term, at the political level, we have to continue to pressure the British Columbia government to sign the MacKenzie River Basin Master Agreement. The GNWT has signed it, as has Alberta, and it needs B.C.'s signature so that we can move ahead on these critical issues related to water and the affect that they have throughout the land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Members' statements. Mr. Roland.

Funding For Alcohol And Drug Treatment Facilities
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Honourable colleagues, I rise today again on the issue of funding for four alcohol and drug treatment facilities, and I refer to the way this government operates. The more things change, the more they seem to stay the same. I came here thinking of change, and although on the outside it seems we have made great strides in change, I have just come across some information that makes me feel like I have not been here for a year yet. It is like I have come back into the House for the first time to argue the same points. We have changed many of the departments. We have 10 departments, Mr. Speaker. Yet, we have the

equivalent of 17 or 18 D.M. level staff, deputy minister level staff. I would say for 10 departments and so many deputy ministers level personnel, are we really changing things, or are we covering them up? I could see a number of those positions being deleted, so to speak. Instead of helping a few, we would help many. I feel a few of those positions might fund Delta House. I would say, Mr. Speaker, as a government and as elected Members of this Assembly, we seriously have to take a look at what we are doing. Are we making change, or are we just changing the colour of the paper? I think we need to have a look at that. I am going to be questioning later on, hopefully I can get a few questions in, to a number of Ministers on the concern of financing of the drug and alcohol treatment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Funding For Alcohol And Drug Treatment Facilities
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Restructuring Of The NWT Liquor Licensing Board
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, across the NWT, there are a number of government boards in place. These boards help ensure that programs and services are operating as per the legislation approved act and guidelines. One of these is the NWT Liquor Licensing Board. In the past, this board has had up to nine members. I, myself, sat as a member of this board. Last year, in September, the Standing Committee on Resource Management suggested this board could be as effective with fewer members. The government agreed, and has taken the move to reduce the board to five members.

Mr. Speaker, I support the effort to be more efficient. However, I am concerned about how this action has taken place. I have expressed my concerns to Mr. Antoine and received some answers. Unfortunately, the answers I received did not relieve my misgiving about how the board was restructured. There was a commitment in the restructuring to ensure that one of the five seats was still held by a Yellowknife representative. While this representation is far less than the three out of the nine under the old board system, it gives some recognition of the large number of liquor establishments in this city.

In any organization, it is nice to have fresh ideas, however, it is always useful to have some continuity of service as well. I find it disturbing that the Minister decided to replace the entire board, even though he indicated that the three Yellowknife members on the board were highly qualified and motivated. It seems to be a case of taking the easy way out, rather than making the hard decision between some fairly qualified people who have worked hard to fulfil their duties. I find it particularly difficult to understand why the Minister did not give some consideration to at least keeping the chairman on until the end of his term, one year from now. After admitting that the chairman was a hard working efficient and dedicated individual, instead, the Minister swept this competent individual out in a way which mistakenly left the public impression that there was some problem with his chairmanship.

Restructuring Of The NWT Liquor Licensing Board
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Henry, time is up.