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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ng. Mr. Krutko, that was ten minutes. I would like to remind all government operations Members that they have a noon hour meeting and we will recess committee of the whole for a one hour break. Thank you.

--Break

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

I call committee of the whole back to order. We are on activity summary, administration, Department of Health and Social Services, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $29.538 million. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I just have a few more questions on this particular activity. I would be more than happy to move on. Could the Minister or the deputy minister speak a bit more specifically about this alcohol and drug reform? The concern was, when we moved to per diem and started giving communities funding that there would, in fact, be a wholesale drop in northern referrals and that communities would use the money and not send people to treatment facilities. Could the Minister indicate whether, in fact, referrals are fairly constant, have they gone up, gone down? What about southern referrals? The Minister indicated that he was not quite sure.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I do not have the specifics of our review with me, but in terms of southern referrals there has been no upward trend. We have very, very few southern referrals, that is, people being referred out of the territories. There has been a slight drop overall in terms of the number of people that are being placed in treatment at NAS. In the early part of this year, there has been a fairly significant increase at Nats' ejee K'eh on the Hay River Reserve and there has been an increase into the Iqaluit centre. Recently, we have done an extensive amount of developmental work among the three Nunavut boards and that treatment centre and they have actually recently completed a full program with almost 100 percent occupancy, so it was a significant success. There has been no downturn in significant numbers in terms of people accessing treatment and no increase in terms of people leaving the territories for treatment. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. A final question as well on this care facilities reform with its shifting focus. Will there, at some point in time prior to division, be a document that elaborates and puts down exactly what is the strategy, what is the focus and puts it together so that it looks like a comprehensive, unified work? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Our expectation is that we can do that through the next four to five months. We are awaiting the opportunity to have preliminary discussions with the new

Nunavut deputy so that we can do the work on a future two territories basis, but we expect to complete this first round of assessment and put forward our recommendations in the next four to five months. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsden. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. I would like to move on briefly to the issue of board support, board training and of course, the approval process that one has to go through to get a name once it is sent from the community up here, approved. My major concern is the board training and how that is monitored, some sort of standard curriculum the boards are required to take, a way of monitoring how boards or Members may commit on a board so there are no gaps. I know it was mentioned earlier that Mr. Chang does the... I cannot remember the name of the training he does now, carver model training and I do not know if that is by chance or is that part of a broader, a more coordinated plan? My concern is does the department have a plan and a structure for board training so that it is done in a coordinated way, that there is a standard that everybody has to take so that boards are operating from the same basic starting point in terms of common knowledge. Then it also makes it easier to understand and relate to what the department is doing as well. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. The first efforts the department did, certainly in their recent history, we worked with the Health Care Association to adopt and then do some adaptation to the carver model and there was a fairly extensive round of workshops done with all boards? To my knowledge now, there are three or four people in the NWT who have received the training to actually deliver the carver model training. It is not narrowed down to a specific person. In the work that we are developing now with respect to board evaluation, we have included a section in there to ensure that we monitor the ongoing currency of training for all trustees. We have one person who is focused on monitoring the process of trustee appointment and then monitoring both the currency of their appointment and the currency of their training. With some of the new appointments, obviously we are not at 100 percent in terms of our satisfaction on training, but we are positioned to get there. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsden. Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Yesterday I had asked some questions in relation to tuberculosis in the Northwest Territories and the reply had indicated that they would try to provide me with some information today. I was wondering if that information is available.

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The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Minister.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

I will ask Mr. Ramsden to respond. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Madam Chairperson, I had the opportunity to confer with the chief medical health officer today and he advises me that we have no cases that we are dealing with at this time where drug resistant tuberculosis has developed. The answer at this point, the incidence is zero. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsden. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. In another area, we had met with the NWT Medical Association and one of their concerns was the need to resolve the definition of the most appropriate provider for health care in the communities of the north. Has there been any movement in this area to properly define this term, most appropriate provider?

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Ramsden.

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Ramsden

Madam Chairperson, the medical association and the registered nursing association are engaged at this point in a formal dialogue. The department has participated in that and what they are trying to do, at least in that particular area, is delineate roles and responsibilities for particularly family physicians and nurse practitioners. I think what we find most helpful in that kind of an area is that it will help us to determine the kinds of, both upfront and ongoing, education and training that family physicians and nurse practitioners need to be both working together and be fully competent in terms of their respective roles. The whole issue of most appropriate care provider needs to go much beyond the debate between physician and nurse. We anticipate exploring areas of role definition for CHRs, social workers, mental health workers and family counsellors, there is still a significant amount of work to do to formally delineate roles and responsibilities. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsden. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chairperson. Did the deputy minister indicate that work is proceeding in all those areas that he mentioned toward the last part of his answer?