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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you. Then it is continuing work on new highway initiatives from the highway strategy, without some sense from industry or this government as to where our priorities are. I am wondering if the Minister could say what further work or plans will be advanced by these additional studies. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, referencing the highways north of Wrigley, the studies would include consultations that we had with the communities and further consultations with the federal government as to what options we would have and what ways the federal government could assist us with new loans. We must keep in mind that the policy of the government is that the territorial government is not responsible for construction in new roads. That is the responsibility of the federal government. We have to continue pressuring the federal government to come forward and put in place their mandate of constructing new roads as needed.

In reference to the geological basin, the road which would be or could be depending on the plan, the further extension of Highway No. 4 or it could lead off from Rae. It depends what the people and the stakeholders agree to, as to which route that will be taken. However, what we are doing is looking into the possibilities of other options of paying for construction of the road and the resources. Those options include suggested road authority, or some form of joint venture between the governments and industry, as to exactly how we could construct a road into the geological basin without the public having to pay for the capital and for the maintenance. We are looking into all options right now. The department is seriously considering different options as to how we can involve the industry, as well as the federal government. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Will these continuing rounds of studies then result in a document or a proposal that would come before this government, or before Northerners, with clear recommendations on where the next priorities will be for new road construction? Can the Minister give us a sense of just what these studies will produce for us, and help us make the next decision?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the general public has indicated that they do not want studies to be paid for and then shelved. And in particular, I do not favour the study taking forever to be produced and for the stakeholders to have a final input into it, and then disagree on the outcome. We will ensure the stakeholders and this government have opportunities, including the Legislative Assembly, in deciding exactly how we are going to proceed after the studies have been completed. For the timelines and the studies, I will ask the deputy minister to respond as to when we can expect to have these final reports in the hands of the stakeholders. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of progress on the work the Minister referred to in the Highways Strategy, we are expecting to take a few more months to complete a couple of outstanding studies, particularly those that speak to economic viability of some resource development projects, such as the Slave Province Project, for a road into the South Slave province, and similarly a road in the Mackenzie Valley.

The purpose of the various component studies is that they lead to a comprehensive highway strategy for new roads in the Northwest Territories. That strategy is part of our broader economic strategy for the GNWT, which is similarly nearing its completion and should be read in concert with the other strategies.

We are very close to this document being available for the House to consider. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to go back a question I had yesterday about how the department kept turning over services, like municipal boundaries, to the communities. I just did a calculation on your study of traffic volume on Highways No. 3, No. 4 and the Yellowknife local.

I received the traffic volume report for Rae, on Highway No. 3. For 90 kilometres, the daily traffic volume average is 5,480. They are getting $52,085 for maintenance, compared to Highway No. 4 to Prelude, which is only 66.2 kilometres. The cost to maintain that, and I am talking about winter maintenance, is $64,960 for 66 kilometres. The traffic is only 1,460 average daily. Then I come down to the Yellowknife local, where I am saying the contract should be turned over on a formula basis, like Municipal and Community Affairs does for the communities, because the cost for ten kilometres for Yellowknife local roads is $59,024.

It is more than 90 kilometres of highway to Rae for maintenance. Just looking at this and looking at our territorial deficit, we can see where the problem is. Our department is not operating efficiently. Our people are not doing their job. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, as I have said yesterday, and I will repeat myself again, I feel the department is doing whatever is necessary to maintain the highways with the crews that we have. The crews are, in fact, maintaining the sections they have been assigned to. I stand behind the department that we are maintaining the highways. As a matter of fact, I am getting to the point where I will be happy to supply the Member exactly where the graders were on a certain time and a certain date, whether or not they were, in fact, maintaining the highways. Whether in fact the plow truck was running.

But to further respond to the Member's concerns as to whether or not we could contract out to municipalities, I will refer that to the department as to what our policy is on that. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician, did you wish to respond?

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As far as policy in terms of devolution of highways within municipal boundaries goes, our policy is to work with communities that identify an interest in terms of taking over roads and public highways within municipal boundaries. That discussion has not brought forward many changes in the highways system in the past years. The door is open. I know certain communities have resisted that for whatever reason they choose.

In terms of turning over those roads, there are some economies of scale that perhaps are lost in taking over a small section of road when one highway camp is assigned hundreds of kilometres of road to maintain, and has a fleet that is assigned to do so. By all means, if specific communities wish to discuss the roads within their municipal boundaries, the department is open to that discussion. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Lafferty.

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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. What I am saying here is we could save a lot of money for the departments if the ten kilometres were turned over to Yellowknife on the Municipal and Community Affairs formula funding, which I know is not that much. I worked for the hamlet of Rae. We were receiving minimum dollars, barely enough to run those roads. By giving $59,000 to the Yellowknife local, it does not seem fair to all the other communities that are formula funded to maintain their roads. I am saying that maybe this is one place where the department can look at to save some money.

By doing this, I think it would be fair to everyone else and Highway No. 3. Thank you.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

I thank the Member for his suggestion. I can assure him that the department will, in fact, seriously consider his suggestions. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to raise a question I had asked the Minister some time ago. The Minister indicated at the time he would get back to me. I am sure I will receive a response any day now. My question is regarding the concern that the travelling public has with bison on the highway close to the community of Fort Providence. Every year we have anywhere from a dozen to 20 collisions with the drive through traffic. Up to now, we have been fortunate there have been no fatalities.

The problem there is obvious. It is speed. There is very little enforcement. I believe, as do many people in the community I represent, that a lot of this can solved if we have the presence of a highway patrol officer there. It would increase the employment opportunities in the community. This year, we also had a near disaster on the ice bridge with the semi-truck going through the ice. There was no monitoring. There are no people making sure that the traffic is not coming onto the ice bridge. There is nobody checking to see how fast they are travelling.

I would like to ask the Minister what he is doing in response to the request of Fort Providence to have a highway patrol office stationed there?

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I know we have had some requests from Fort Providence to have some kind of patrol on the ice crossing. I think it would be appropriate for the deputy minister to respond to see how we can accommodate the Member's concern in this area as far as safety goes. As far as increasing our highway patrol in that area, I will ask Mr. Vician if he could respond to that question. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.