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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Vician is directly involved in the planning of the highway maintenance programs and upgrading programs. I will ask Mr. Vician to respond.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of economies and efficiencies and re-investing those dollars wherever possible, that is a continual effort on the part of the department. The key target, of course, is to identify where the dollars are most needed throughout the highway system. That is the process that is used within the department. Dollars that are identified for savings in one specific area do not naturally end up being spent if they are available in that same area. I will use the example of calcium, as we previously communicated. The objective of the department is to improve gravel roads by improving the amount of dust control we have on gravel roads throughout the system. We would like to see those gravel roads have more calcium. There are still sections of the highway that are not treated. That would be the type of area we would make further investment in.

Specific to the question, at this point, we do not have specific plans to look at economies from one specific area, such as the Fort Smith beat, and re-invest it directly back into the Fort Smith beat. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Vician. Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Could the Minister confirm if that means that in the coming summer, for example, if those deficiencies are recognized, we could get a commitment that we would be able to keep it in there and put it to use as opposed to having it re-allocated? Otherwise, it seems to me there is not much incentive from a local point of view for managers to really save a lot of money in their region if it is going to be taken away from them. It seems to me that the incentive would be to spend it on other things. If you cannot spend it on chip seal, you might as well buy equipment. You might as well buy whatever else you need to beef up your own operation.

Could the Minister clarify the deputy's comments? At this point? What does that mean? Would that mean there would be some comfort or assurance knowing that if the highway's operation around Fort Smith is efficient and realizes some savings, they would be to able put it to use in Fort Smith on that section of road from Sandy Lake to Salt Mountain? Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask Mr. Vician to respond to that.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Vician.

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Vician

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In terms of making a direct commitment to re-invest any economies and savings that we may have in one specific beat, that would not be in the best interest of the overall highway system. That has not been our practice in the past. During the year, if one area is suffering a little tougher condition, let us say one region, such as the Inuvik region, ends up with some tougher winter or summer conditions, such as heavier rains, the Deh Cho dealing with some rougher conditions, in Liard, gravel problems, other drainage problems, the department needs to allow itself to adjust those funds throughout the year right to the end of March, to manage where the need is greatest. That is the approach that is used.

Managers are encouraged to save where possible. They alone are in a difficult position just trying to keep up their sections of maintenance. We are rarely seeing significant savings that are available out of one given area. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Mr. Miltenberger.

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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a very depressing kind of discussion, where on every turn we are basically stifled. If there is money that will probably be taken if efficiencies are realized, if there is capital money, we are down the list and basically off the page. Is there anything in terms of any other creative solutions that the Minister or deputy can offer, other than this bleak proclamation that you are out of luck for the future and forever more?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am sure the Member realizes the difficulty in trying to respond to that particular question. The only possible suggestion that I could put forward is that Members would do whatever they could to support the mission of the government to obtain more funding for Highway No.3 from the federal government. That would, as the Member knows, provide funding that we could apply elsewhere on our highway systems. At this point, that is the only conceivable bright spot in the future that I can put forward as a suggestion of possible further funding.

As the deputy suggested, the funding has to be in such a manner that wherever we save in some regions, we put it towards needs in other regions. I am sure the Members are well aware that the department has been doing this, of course with the input from the Members. It is a necessity to have that input. We must also keep in mind that in order to attract or to put in place chip-sealing on the highways, the highways have to be first brought up to standards to be able to maintain the chip seal. That in itself is not a small project. So if we are talking savings in some area that we could put towards hard-topping or chip-sealing, we are looking at a fair amount before we can have enough to go out and suggest chip-sealing on portions of the highway, without specific amounts that would appear sufficient to attract a contractor. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. General comments, questions. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I too would like to go on record and express similar concerns as those expressed by my honourable colleague, Mr. Miltenberger, about Highway No. 5. There has been no mention of Highway No. 6 in the interim budget, or in any other budget that I have seen for the Department of Transportation.

I know our financial constraints as a government do not put us in very good status, as it has been mentioned within this department. However, there is a section on Highway No. 6, just past Buffalo River, about 15 to 20 kilometres outside of Fort Resolution, which has very poor drainage. It is costing the department quite a bit to maintain every year. It is also a safety hazard. Now, with the safety issue, I think the department should really take a close look at that particular area of the road and send in some engineers to see if they could do something about the drainage problems. There are people in the highway system, who are in High Level, outside of Yellowknife, who have claimed that that area is at low lake level. As such, there have been a few vehicle accidents over the last little while. There is great concern by the members of the Fort Resolution community. That is the only transportation link into the community. There are no scheduled flights that fly into the community.

Hay River is a major help for them in terms of supply, fuel, and other goods and products. I would strongly suggest to the Minister that the department have a close look at that particular stretch of road, and indeed the whole 90 kilometre stretch from the old Pine Point side, which is where the pavement ends, to the community of Fort Resolution. To date, there are no chip-seals. There is no crushing. There are only 52 kilometres of that 90 kilometre road under dust control. This may not be a time to ask for any type of commitment from the Minister on this issue, but I would like to hear his thoughts. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank the Member for bringing this issue to the attention of the department. I have already had some discussions with the Member on this particular issue. I would like to give him my assurance that the department will be taking into consideration his concerns. Regardless of whether we have anything in our capital to identify towards Highway No. 6, the fact of the matter is that we have said we would keep our highways in safe driving conditions. If this particular stretch of highway requires immediate attention of capital, we will do everything we have to do in order to bring the highway back into safe standards. With that, I can convince my department to work with the Member, and we will try to address the particular issue. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the assurances of the Minister on this issue. However, I would like to bring to light a paper summary of exposure by highway prepared by the Department of Transportation. Annual costs, per kilometre of that road, are $12,000, with adjusted expenditures of $1.076 million. The policy of keeping the highway system within the Northwest Territories safe is a great one, but just to maintain and fix it up for a few months, then let it go again to be complained about the following year is not sufficient. I urge the department to take a good look at that stretch of the road, and look towards fixing the problem, not maintaining the problem. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Steen, any comments on that?

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, as I said, if fixing the problem is necessary, we will do it to bring it to safe standards. We will work with the Member to assure that the particular area that is referred to is what we are going to be directing our attention to. Again, I would have to emphasize that the department has the ability, if necessary, to request supplementary funds in order to address specific emergencies and repairs to the highways. But, again, I say that it would depend on the condition of the highway and whether or not the situation demands that type of funding. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Steen. General comments. Mr. Braden.

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Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask the Minister for a bit of clarification on an item that is on page 205 on the notes that we were given about the regional distribution of funds. Under headquarters, there is a line that says new road planning studies, preliminary planning target for the year, $335,000 and $235,000 for the interim period. Does this refer to studies for new or future roads? Or is this new studies on existing roads? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, the program was tied in with the Northwest Territories highway strategy which included new roads. As I mentioned yesterday, it would include your own highway, north into the slave geological basin, as well as a road from Wrigley north, right to the Beaufort sea. Thank you.