This is page numbers 1331 - 1396 of the Hansard for the 14th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

Members Present

Honourable Roger Allen, Honourable Jim Antoine, Mr. Bell, Mr. Braden, Mr. Delorey, Mr. Dent, Honourable Jane Groenewegen, Honourable Joe Handley, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Lee, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. McLeod, Mr. Miltenberger, Mr. Nitah, Honourable Jake Ootes, Mr. Roland, Honourable Vince Steen, Honourable Tony Whitford.

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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Assez vous. Bonjour, mes amis. It is the nice weather. It takes one's mind off legislative business. Speaking of legislative business, item 2, Ministers' statements. Déclarations de ministres. The honourable Minister responsible for the Department of Justice, Mr. Antoine.

Jim Antoine Nahendeh

I am pleased to inform the House about the progress the Department of Justice has made to implement a new computerized personal property registry system for the Northwest Territories.

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This past December, the Governments of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut signed agreements with Unisys Canada to implement new computerized personal property registry systems for each territory. The system that has been chosen is already being used in Atlantic Canada. It has proven to be reliable and secure in those jurisdictions. Northerners will be able to use this new system with confidence.

This new registry system will allow us to proclaim the Personal Property Security Act in force. We will start training users as early as next month and it is projected that the system will be available by the end of April. Northerners who subscribe to the service will soon be able to start registering and searching security interests at their convenience from home or from their business.

A personal property registry allows various types of financing agreements to be registered. For example, Mr. Speaker, if you were interested in buying a used truck, you could search the registry to see if anyone else had a claim on that vehicle.

The current registry system is located at an office in Yellowknife. Individuals or businesses that want to record or to search financial interests in property have to come in during business hours and search the paper documents by hand. This system is time-consuming and inefficient for the government and for users.

Mr. Speaker, when fully implemented, the new personal property registry system will be a major improvement over the current paper-based system:

  • • Northerners will have remote access from their own offices;
  • • manual searches will be eliminated as the system is phased in;
  • • searches in respect of certain items, such as motor vehicles, may be conducted by serial number;
  • • users will have access to the system beyond normal office hours;
  • • the system will provide improved security of information;
  • • direct input of information by the users will improve the accuracy of the records; and
  • • the new system brings the Northwest Territories and Nunavut in line with other Canadian provinces. It will also allow Northerners to search and register personal property in several other jurisdictions.

Mr. Speaker, the implementation of this new system requires a great deal of planning and consultation with stakeholders. In the next few months, the Department of Justice and Unisys Canada will be in touch with regular users of the registry system. Through presentations, training and the regular distributes of the newsletter, PPR News, users will be kept up-to-date on the progress of this project. I would encourage individuals or businesses that have further questions on the project to contact the legal registries office here in Yellowknife. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Merci, Mr. Antoine. Déclarations de ministres. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Déclarations de députés. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River North, Mr. Delorey.

Provision Of Public Weather Forecasts
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Paul Delorey

Paul Delorey Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to address an issue that has been raised by a constituent of mine. The issue I am referring to, Mr. Speaker, is the provision of public weather forecasts by community aerodome radio stations. Mr. Speaker, this issue has wide-ranging implications for many residents of the Northwest Territories, especially those whose livelihoods are heavily impacted by present and future weather conditions.

Mr. Speaker, public weather forecasts and up-to-date weather information was previously provided to the general public by Nav Canada. Mr. Speaker, on June 28, 2000, community aerodrome radio stations, or CARS as they are referred to, commenced operations in Hay River under contract to Nav Canada.

Mr. Speaker, in Hay River, for example, CARS has a three-year contract in place from Nav Canada with a two-year extension option. CARS is mandated only to assist in the safe operation of air traffic. This does not include weather forecasts.

Mr. Speaker, I have a concern that the safety of hunters, trappers, fishermen and outfitters that are out on the land and water on a regular basis may be compromised. Mr. Speaker, their safety depends on reliable, accurate weather forecasts. These forecasts can only be provided in communities that are served by Nav Canada.

Mr. Speaker, in smaller centres where Environment Canada does not provide immediate weather forecasts and where people may not have access to the Internet, these people are at a very real risk to public safety.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will have further questions to the Minister responsible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Provision Of Public Weather Forecasts
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Delorey. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for North Slave, Mr. Lafferty.

Community Development And Log Home Construction
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Leon Lafferty North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about a housing initiative that could have significant benefits for the people in my region. The initiative is the reintroduction of sweat equity programs and the construction of log homes.

As Members know, in many territorial communities, there is both a housing and an employment crisis. This situation exists in my region, particularly in the remote communities. Last fall, I had the privilege of going to Tsiigehtchic with the Minister responsible for Housing and some of my colleagues from the Legislature. We examined the log homes built for elders through a training program. We wanted to know if this type of operation would work in our northern communities, and I think it would.

The mandate of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation is to assist communities to assume the role of providing housing for the residents and to sustain northern economic development. By providing log homes, by building homes in the communities, we would fulfill the mandate of the corporation and serve our people by providing more affordable housing. We could create training programs for local people to build these homes. We can also create local employment, stimulate small business development and establish a housing market in small communities.

I think there have been positive developments in the area of housing. At the appropriate time, I will have questions for the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation. Thank you.

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Community Development And Log Home Construction
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lakes, Mr. Roland.

Eligibility For Fuel Cost Rebate
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just returning from my constituency, I have had the opportunity to hear from a number of constituents, and the concerns being raised regarding the Fuel Rebate Program that has been discussed in this House and raised by a number of Members.

Mr. Speaker, my constituents, hearing that there is this rebate, are concerned as to how and who would qualify. A particular point being raised is that the working class will lose out on this subsidy because they will be squeezed out on the top end of the limits that are being put in place. In fact, it is not clear if people in low income housing and public housing will end up getting a rebate if this government carries forward. In a sense, they are already covered because they are included in the government's housing program for public housing units.

Those other families who are on the higher end income -- so far as we have heard to date as it has been set out according to the Housing Corporation's policies -- will lose out, even though in some cases it is a one-income family. They will hit the ceiling and still have to pay and bear the brunt of the increased costs of homeowners in Inuvik.

The concern is that some people living in rental accommodations who are subsidized, or paid through income support, for example, will qualify for that. There are a lot of questions out there as to who is setting up the standards. We are aware that the Housing Corporation will be the delivery agent, but I believe it is the Department of Finance that is putting the policy together as to how it will actually be implemented.

There is a concern about the actual details and how they will flow. Right now, as people from my constituency are hearing, there is not a lot of detail to that, and there is a lot of concern because of the lack of detail. With that, I will have questions for the appropriate Minister during question period. Thank you.

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Eligibility For Fuel Cost Rebate
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Roland. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake, Mr. Dent.

Pension Legislation
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about pension legislation. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement on February 21st, I called on this government to lend its support to a private member's bill presented in the Canadian Parliament.

Bill C-203 proposes to amend the federal Bankruptcy Act so that unpaid wages and payments with respect to pensions are given first priority over the claims of ordinary creditors. These amendments will help ensure that other workers across Canada never have to face a reduction in pension benefits, similar to those suffered by former Giant Mine employees.

Mr. Speaker, I also stated that our territorial legislation should be amended. For example, I believe that we could bring in legislation similar to that already in place in Ontario. The Ontario Government has a Pension Benefits Act that authorizes a pension benefits guarantee fund. The fund was established to increase the statutory protection offered to pension plan members in the event that a pension plan is wound up in whole or in part.

Mr. Speaker, in Ontario, when certain criteria are met, the fund guarantees payment of pension benefits. The administrator of the guarantee fund can file a claim against the employer who underfunded the pension plan to recover any amounts paid out by the fund.

Mr. Speaker, it is obvious that in terms of protection of wages and pension plans during bankruptcy, our territorial legislation is both outdated and inadequate. We were unable to provide any relief or protection for the Giant Mine pensioners. It is also obvious, Mr. Speaker, that we cannot rely on the Government of Canada to protect our workers in the North.

Mr. Speaker, we must consider amendments to our own legislation to ensure that a situation similar to Giant Mine does not occur again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Pension Legislation
Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Dent. Item 3, Members' statements,. The honourable Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger.

Important Contributions Of Northern Volunteers
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is the Year of the Volunteer and I have been contemplating doing a Member's statement on this very important issue for some time. As I was walking to work this morning, I came across the causeway and there was a nice warm wind blowing. As I got closer to the causeway, I could hear all the flags snapping of all the communities that are represented here from across the Northwest Territories.

It gave me pause to think about the quality of life we have in the Northwest Territories. A quality of life that I would not trade with anybody else in the world. It is something I think we tend to take for granted, or we lose track of, as we in this House debate day in and day out, trying to get good things for our constituents and point out issues that need to be better addressed.

Mr. Speaker, the issue to me is that in large part, the quality of life that we have is due in no small measure to the work done by the many hundreds and thousands of volunteers in our communities. The people who work in the area of sports and recreation; with children; those who do Meals on Wheels; fire departments; those people who work with Brownies, Cubs, Guides and Scouts; the service organizations like the Legion, the Lions Club, Rotary and the Elks; those societies like the seniors societies; and the Society for the Disabled.

Mr. Speaker, I would estimate that they put in hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours and raise countless dollars through their fundraising efforts. They work quietly, tirelessly and continuously for the communities they live in. For me, and I think for everybody else, we owe them a debt of gratitude because the quality of life that we have would not be the same if we did not have volunteers throughout our communities who labour in all these critical areas for our communities.

As we debate our budget, I think it is important not to lose track of the fact that we have a good quality of life here. I for one would really like to thank the volunteers who labour in all our communities in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Important Contributions Of Northern Volunteers
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho, Mr. McLeod.

Municipal Funding Formula Inequities
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise in the House today to speak on the new financing formula that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has proposed for the community of Enterprise.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot accept the department's rationale that the new funding formula will be easier to administer because it is simpler. The only reason I can see for the funding being easier to administer is because there is less funding to administer.

Municipal Funding Formula Inequities
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An Hon. Member

Shame.

Municipal Funding Formula Inequities
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Michael McLeod

Michael McLeod Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the community of Enterprise will be drastically affected by the new block funding formula. The department has stated that the new formula will make it easier for communities such as Enterprise to do long-term planning.

Mr. Speaker, when a community sees funding reduced over the life of the agreement, the only long-term planning the council can do is to decide what services to cut and what projects to delay.

According to the information I have, under the proposed funding formula, Enterprise will see its core funding reduced by nearly $91,000 by the year 2002-2003. Similar sized communities such as Trout Lake, Nahanni Butte and Jean Marie River will see increases of between nearly $79,000 to Trout Lake to a high of approximately $135,000 in Nahanni Butte over the same period. I ask, Mr. Speaker, where is the fairness in this approach?

The community leaders in Enterprise have been working to improve community infrastructure in order to attract businesses to their community. Projects may have to be deferred because of the funding decreases that will be imposed on Enterprise under the new funding formula.

Mr. Speaker, there is merit to providing block funding to communities such as Enterprise that allows communities to make their own long-term decisions when planning for the future. However, Mr. Speaker, we must also have the flexibility in any funding system to address circumstances communities such as Enterprise present. I will be following up with questions for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Municipal Funding Formula Inequities
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South, Mr. Bell.

Heart And Stroke Month
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Brendan Bell

Brendan Bell Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. February is known as heart month across this country. Today, February 28th being the end of the month, also marks the end of the annual fundraising campaign for the Heart and Stroke Foundation.

Since 1950, the Alberta Heart Foundation has been responsible for providing information, awareness and results to the Northwest Territories on heart and stroke disease. In 1990, the foundation's name was changed to the Heart and Stroke Foundation of Alberta and the NWT to reflect the work and involvement of Northerners.

Their mission is to fund heart and stroke research, provide public advocacy and promote healthy lifestyles. Mr. Speaker, despite a decrease by 50 percent since the foundation began, heart disease and stroke is still the number one killer in Canada. In the Northwest Territories, such diseases can claim approximately 39 percent of all deaths, which is in fact slightly higher than the rate for the rest of Canada.

Funding for the foundation comes from a variety of activities, Mr. Speaker, many of which you will recognize. Some of them are such things as Jump Rope for Heart, Dress Red for Heart, The Mother-Daughter Walk for Heart and Stroke and the all-important door-to-door fundraising campaign.

Locally, Mr. Speaker, there are 32 staff in the foundation and 40,000 volunteers who contribute to the support of 65 research projects within both Alberta and the North. It is interesting to note, Mr. Speaker, that the government does not provide funding and support for this initiative. It is all public fund raising.

In the NWT, there are eight schools that participate in the Jump Rope for Heart. I would like to specifically point out Ecole St. Joseph in Yellowknife. These folks have been the foundations top fund raising school for the last two years throughout Alberta and the NWT.

The NWT raises approximately $1.50 per capita. I understand this compares very favourably with that of Alberta.

On behalf of fellow Members, I would like to thank the residents of the NWT who have contributed to the fight against heart disease and stroke. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Heart And Stroke Month
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The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Merci, Mr. Bell. Thank you, Mr. Bell. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave, Mr. Braden.

Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I wish to speak on the issue of power generation and the new Northwest Territories Power Corporation. The corporation was created in 1988, Mr. Speaker, to bring ownership and control of the utility from Ottawa and Edmonton into the hands of its northern customers.

Its job was to rebuild the old utility into a modern power system that is safe, reliable and self-sufficient. It has done so. In doing so, Mr. Speaker, it has paid off a $54 million debt for the purchase of the corporation and has returned a dividend in the form of valuable power subsidies worth over $40 million to the people of Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.

The business partnerships it has established with three First Nations, including the Dogrib, Inuvialuit and the Gwich'in, are also very significant.

The Power Corporation has achieved its original objectives. It is time for a new mandate and a new vision.

With the separation from Nunavut, there are new political and economic opportunities for energy management and development in the new NWT. The majority of our power is now created by cleaner, cheaper renewable hydro and natural gas over diesel. In addition, my colleagues, the Members for North Slave, Thebacha and Tu Nedhe, have repeatedly pointed out the tremendous hydro opportunities for community, industry and export.

There are many options as to how we can manage our energy future. The GNWT review of electrical service is generating thought and discussion on a wide range of recommendations. Some of my constituents have said that we should first address our own needs for alternate hydro and gas generation. I heartily agree. This objective is doable and may be enhanced by expanding these new generation options in tandem with sales to other customers outside of the NWT.

Mr. Speaker, on November 9th, I spoke about initiatives to reorganize the Power Corporation in light of the separation from Nunavut. At that time, I indicated that the UNW was involved in planning the reorganization. I have since learned that was incorrect.

For the record, Mr. Speaker, I want to state that while the union was kept informed of the reorganization, it was not a participant. The reorganization was the prerogative of management to prepare the corporation for its new role while the Nunavut Power Corporation comes into being. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Braden, you may continue.

Bill Braden

Bill Braden Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and colleagues. As we approach the creation of two new electrical generating companies on April 1, 2001, I wanted to take this opportunity to recognize some of the NWT Power Corporation's achievements, highlight some constituents' concerns regarding power generation and, Mr. Speaker, to wish both corporations, the employees and their families well as they continue to keep the lights on and move to fulfill new mandates and new visions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

The Speaker

The Speaker Tony Whitford

Thank you, Mr. Braden. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko.