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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we do look at that on an ongoing basis. Mr. Chairman, perhaps the best example in that area is the income support area where we contract with community organizations or groups to deliver that particular program. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with regard to the programs that are out there, a lot of funds are accessible to aboriginal organizations such as dollars within Indian Affairs, especially with regard to the non-renewable resource area. I feel that we have to try to attract as many dollars and resources as we can from other federal funding sources, especially when it comes to training and curriculum development and finding the institutions or the mechanism of delivering those programs.

Through the Arctic College program, we have programs in just about all of the communities in the Mackenzie Delta. One of the problems I see is we administer programs, but usually there are not enough resources to really attract qualified people to train or people to put on these courses. In order to attract good people, we have to pay good money.

Has the Minister looked at finding ways to coordinate with other organizations to either sponsor a program that we come up with so much money and another organization will come with so much money? So instead of having a third of a position, you are able to have a full position or a three-quarter position?

That is one of the problems I hear in communities. The money that we get is either not sufficient or we are not able to attract good people to fill those positions, but by partnering with groups to look at that...we have to start doing that a lot more. Have they considered looking at partnerships when it comes to hiring instructors to deliver programs?

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we are doing that now. One of the examples of that is the training group. They look at areas of using money and how to share costs in various areas, so we maximize the ability to deliver the program. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, another area that I have a real problem with is when you start looking at statistics in the document that was just recently put out by your department, the post-secondary indicators report. When you start looking at the statistics between larger centres, Yellowknife, the regional centres and the small communities. In Yellowknife, the graduation rate is almost 30 percent. In the regional centres, it is at 20 percent. When you get down to the communities, you are a little less than ten percent. Just by that indicator, we can see from that that we are not getting the graduates that we should be getting out of the smaller communities. I feel it is critical that we get more students out.

You start looking at the statistics of students with less than a grade 9 education and in the smaller communities, it is almost 30 percent. In places like Yellowknife, it is not even three percent. I think because of those statistics, we can see that there is something definitely wrong with that picture.

So I would like to ask the Minister, exactly what are we doing to try to revamp or find out? We are not seeing a major shift, especially when students are graduating from high school.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is a need to ensure that community graduation rates are addressed. We intend to take that up as the discussion matter with the chairs of the DECs and the DEAs, whom we get together with semi-annually. I am doing that in another month with those chairs and the directors of the district education councils. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. We are on page 9-11, advanced education and careers. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The level of graduation rates in communities has a direct impact on the capabilities of people in those communities to do the job of governance and to deliver programs and services on behalf of this government.

I asked several questions relating to public service training dollars to the Minister and the possibility of those dollars being made available to those employees who are working for the bands, for the municipal governments, for the Metis councils, delivering programs and services on behalf of the government.

The Minister has indicated that there is on-the-job training, job shadowing, apprenticeship, et cetera. The one flaw in those kinds of programs is if there is nobody trained or able to do the job to begin with, how can you justify placing an individual to train under so that they can master that job?

The challenge here is to train or further educate those individuals working for the municipalities today. Can the Minister acknowledge that there is a challenge in that area? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There is a challenge and we have a huge challenge to achieve some success here, Mr. Chairman. It extends very broadly across the Territory.

As we know, we have many people seeking work and many of those are at low grade levels. There is a challenge there in order to train them and in order to get them to be able to participate in the workforce. There is no doubt that extends to aboriginal governments and community organizations, Mr. Chairman.

Our efforts are being directed in areas that look at the possibilities of providing support for advancement of individuals throughout the Territories, through the Literacy Program, through our maximizing employment program that we still have to fully develop, and through our training programs, Mr. Chairman. So yes, we readily acknowledge that there is a need out there and we recognize that. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you. Would the Minister then agree with me that it would be a good idea that these individuals working for the aboriginal governments, the municipal governments, who are delivering programs and services on behalf of this government, that they qualify and are able to participate in the Public Service Training Program and the budget associated with that? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Public Service Training Program is just that. It has been identified as a Public Service Training Program to allow departments to bring individuals within government. There was an area of concern with respect to expending the fund, but we do not anticipate that to continue in the future. There were some reasons why that occurred. I cannot make that commitment, Mr. Chairman, to ensure that the funding we have for a specific program is redirected to a different program. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not suggesting that a new program should be created or the budget that was lapsed last year -- and the department is quite confident it is not going to lapse anymore money -- be allocated to a new program. What I am advocating here is that the training and budget associated with the training be made available for those public service individuals who are not currently under the payroll of the Government of the Northwest Territories, but are indirectly being paid by the Government of the Northwest Territories through contractual arrangements with the delivering organizations.

I am just suggesting that the public service training should be expanded so that public servants working for aboriginal organizations or municipalities are qualified to participate in that training. That is what I am suggesting. That is what I am advocating, Mr. Chairman.

What is the point of devolving programs and services to be delivered by people who are not trained to do so? Or having problems with the mechanisms stipulated by the governments and the departments on how those programs and services should be delivered? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The program is there. I cannot tell you today. It may lapse some money this year, but we anticipate with the thrust we are taking, it certainly is not going to lapse money next year. So it becomes a case of where do you direct the money then? It was specifically designed with the purpose of training for the Government of the Northwest Territories to bring employees in, to create efficiency in the system and to allow departments to train individuals and to bring them in. They are individuals from throughout the Northwest Territories. It is a mechanism by which we can ensure that individuals who are Northerners are brought into the system, Mr. Chairman.

I recognize the concern the Member is expressing. I believe that needs to be addressed in another fashion. We are trying to deal as much as we can with the maximizing employment program to identify areas of concern and areas of need.

I think it would be better addressed by another mechanism because the uptake of this could be quickly exhausted next year, Mr. Chairman. I have to ensure that it was set in place with that purpose. So it needs to be sustained with that in mind. Thank you.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Minister. Mr. Nitah.

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Steven Nitah Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Exhausting the funds, is that what the Minister is referring to? What is the difference between this year's training plans and last year's training plans that he expects to exhaust the funds this year? What I am advocating for is efficiency in doing the job at the municipal and aboriginal government level. It is no different from what he desires for the Government of the Northwest Territories employees.

I am just saying if there is going to be a lapse in money and if this program works, let us make it available to other public servants outside of the Government of the Northwest Territories. Let us recognize them as public servants and let us make this training available to them as well.

As I have said before and I will say it again, if they are not doing the job right and delivering the programs and services of this government, then it is a problem for everybody and the programs and services they are charged to deliver suffer as well, which makes this government look bad.

For good governance, for efficiency and for effectiveness, I would strongly suggest and strongly urge that the Minister really look at making these training programs available to other public servants. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair

The Chair Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Nitah. Mr. Minister.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can certainly speak to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs about the areas of concern that the Member has expressed. I think there are a number of avenues to approach this and I will certainly be able to do that. Thank you.