This is page numbers 659 - 708 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was community.

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Hon. Frederick Blake Jr, Hon. Paulie Chinna, Ms. Cleveland, Ms. Green, Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Lafferty, Ms. Martselos, Mr. Norn, Mr. O'Reilly, Ms. Semmler, Hon. R.J. Simpson, Mr. Rocky Simpson, Hon. Diane Thom, Hon. Shane Thompson, Hon. Caroline Wawzonek

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Justice.

Minister's Statement 35-19(2): Northwest Territories Policing Priorities
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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, as Minister of Justice one of my responsibilities is to set the objectives, priorities, and goals of the Territorial Police Service. While the GNWT respects the operational independence of the RCMP, the intention of setting these objectives is to establish a broad strategic direction for the delivery of policing services in the Northwest Territories that incorporates the unique needs of our communities. Through past priority-setting exercises, the RCMP have been asked to place a focus on increasing public trust in policing services, working with partners to improve responses to vulnerable populations, being innovative in addressing community safety, and ensuring a culturally-informed, safe approach to service provision.

Mr. Speaker, the annual policing priorities have traditionally been set directly by the Minister. To ensure that I consider the diverse perspectives of the many unique communities in the Northwest Territories and that this process is undertaken with transparency, I have invited the leadership of Indigenous, municipal, and community governments to share their views with me on what is most important to their community when it comes to community policing services.

As leaders in their respective communities, I know they are best positioned to share this perspective with me. Seeking their input reflects Cabinet's commitment to support and enhance our relationships with community and Indigenous governments and to promote community self-sufficiency. Their contributions in this regard will be used to guide the development of the 2020-2021 broad strategic direction that I will set for the RCMP. It is my intention going forward to engage in this outreach on an annual basis.

These priorities help lead the RCMP and community leadership to develop annual policing priority action plans. This collaborative work supports the building of trust between RCMP members and the communities they serve, and formalizes the engagement efforts of RCMP detachment commanders across the NWT. The action plans are revisited annually and revised as necessary by the community and the RCMP, recognizing the shared responsibilities in addressing service provision. Through this process, communities have a direct role in making their community safer. I applaud the work that the RCMP and community leadership have accomplished together to enhance the quality of life in our communities.

Mr. Speaker, few services have as direct an impact on our citizens as the policing services provided by the RCMP. Although we are very fortunate to be provided a professional service by a national police force and by a division dedicated to community policing, it is incredibly important that we ensure that service reflects the unique context of our territory. The ultimate goal that we are all working towards together is safe communities where our citizens can thrive. I look forward to hearing and understanding the insights of community leadership in shaping the Ministerial priorities for the 2020-2021 fiscal year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 35-19(2): Northwest Territories Policing Priorities
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister of Justice. Ministers' statements. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs.

Minister's Statement 36-19(2): Arctic Winter Games
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, today, I wish to give well deserved recognition to Team Northwest Territories who were scheduled to compete at the 2020 Arctic Winter Games in Whitehorse, Yukon, from March 15th to 21st. At the same time as providing this recognition, we, of course, have to acknowledge the profound disappointment at the difficult but necessary decision to cancel the 2020 Arctic Winter Games due to the risk presented by the COVID-19 virus. The decision to cancel the games could not have been an easy one, but ultimately, doing what was in the best interests of the health and safety of all those involved had to be the priority.

Mr. Speaker, it is truly unfortunate that there will be no games. Team NT still deserves our thanks and our recognition. Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide Members with some information about Team Northwest Territories: at the territorial trials, 746 athletes, coaches, and chaperones from 23 NWT communities competed for the opportunity to represent the NWT. Of this, 344 were female participants and 402 were male participants.

The 2020 Arctic Winter Games Team consists of 355 participants, including athletes, coaches, and mission staff from 20 different communities. In addition, 17 officials from across the Northwest Territories were scheduled to be involved. Team Northwest Territories athletes were set to compete in all 20 sports. Team Northwest Territories also included a cultural contingent that was going to celebrate our cultural heritage. Seventeen NWT Youth Ambassadors, with representation from all regions in the Territory, were also set to go to Whitehorse as volunteers. The Northwest Territories Youth Ambassador Program has been in operation in the Northwest Territories for 12 years, and offers a guided and structured volunteer experience for Northwest Territories youth at major territorial, national, and international events. Participants have the opportunity to develop life and job skills, as well as to build the confidence necessary to deal with complex life challenges.

Mr. Speaker, everyone who is part of Team Northwest Territories and the contingent who was going to the Arctic Winter games had worked hard for many months and, in some cases, years to prepare for these games. Team NT is built with the collaboration of so many people who deserve our thanks: volunteers, sport organizations, and the tireless efforts of parents. I want to say thank you to everyone for all their efforts in the early morning drives, the long hours of practice, and the lessons in fair play and determination. We know the life lessons that involvement in sports teaches are very valuable. What we hope our young people take away from this difficult lesson is that the reward and pride in accomplishment is in the journey.

Mr. Speaker, I want to advise Members that Team NT will be refunded for their deposits and to keep their uniforms. Unfortunately, due to the scope and magnitude that goes into planning events of this type, postponing the games or holding alternative events is not an option. To close, I would like to extend my thanks to Mr. Doug Rentmeister, Chef de Mission, Mr. Damon Crossman, and Mr. Bill Othmer, Assistant Chef de Missions for Team NT, and all the rest of their mission staff as well as the Sport North Federation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 36-19(2): Arctic Winter Games
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Thebacha.

Lack of Policing in Illicit Drug Trade
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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister of Justice's statement and respect it, but there are gaps in the system. Mr. Speaker, in my 13-plus years in leadership, I have constantly brought up the lack of enforcement in the drug trade in the community of Fort Smith. Members of the community have approached me on numerous occasions over the years and have stated that they have gone to the RCMP with pertinent information about suspected criminal activities taking place in the community but feel that nothing becomes of it.

There has not been a large drug bust in the community in about 20 years. Everybody knows who the drug dealers are. I have spoken about this problem at various Dene leadership meetings and with the present leadership of the RCMP, and there has not been a marked difference or positive results regarding this whole problem. Illegal drugs have inflicted our community and have brought many bearings on many families and must be addressed. The RCMP has a job to do, and as an MLA and leader of this community, I expect them to do their job.

There has been a sign that has gone up and down in Fort Smith and on the Internet, right under the welcome sign, the sign that says, "Welcome to Fort Smith," and this is what the sign says, "Fort Smith jobs wanted: Coke, crack, and meth dealers." The dealers we have are overworked and make too much money. The RCMP are okay with dealers and don't do anything about it. Residents shut their mouths. Apply with the RCMP, and then they give the RCMP phone number, 872-1111.

Mr. Speaker, see this type of signage, especially directly underneath the town's welcome sign is totally unacceptable. This message just underlines my point about the lack of policing enforcement in relation to the illicit drug trade. Even the drug leaders know they can get away with their criminal activities because of the RCMP inaction. Based on the sign, the dealers are literally laughing at the system that is supposed to enforce the rule of law and rein in on their criminal activities. I will have questions for the Minister of Justice later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Members' statements. Member for Hay River South.

Small Businesses in the Northwest Territories
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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The majority of businesses that operate in the North are mostly small businesses, and they are exactly that, small businesses. Most of the contracts for these small businesses would be government contracts and primarily with the NWT Housing Corporation or the Department of Infrastructure.

Small businesses operate in regional and isolated communities face hardships and costs associated with doing businesses. In the NWT, labour costs are generally higher than our southern counterparts. Although unemployment exists, these businesses experience labour shortages due to social policies that force local residents to turn down work. Businesses must then import workers which result in higher project costs. Small businesses also rely on barging and winter roads and air transport for delivery and material and equipment. This can make or break a small business if there are delays and payment is not timely.

Mr. Speaker, within the GNWT and no matter which department, our northern businesses expect to be treated fairly and with respect. Every so often, we will find a department or a government employee who, for one reason or another, strays from this practice of fairness. To give an example of where fairness is paramount would be the placement of a contractor on a suspension list which may or may not be for legitimate reasons or, for that matter, be based on factual information.

I know the use of suspension lists are a practice of both the NWT Housing Corporation and the Department of Infrastructure. Being placed on a suspension list with the GNWT could result in a business being forced to close down. It may result in layoffs of local employees. It may result in families going without financial resources to put food on the table or pay basic living costs.

Mr. Speaker, as it is this government's practice to place northern business on suspension lists, as such, I would expect that this government has policies in place that establish a fair and objective process with reasonable criteria in place. A decision such as this must incorporate factual information and/or circumstances from the person who is qualified to provide such information. The circumstances surrounding the suspension must be clear and unambiguous, and the business must be provided due process in a timely manner.

A northern business being placed on a government suspension list can immediately bankrupt the small business, the very reason we need fairness and opportunity for due process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Small Businesses in the Northwest Territories
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Members' statements. Member for Nunakput.

COVID-19 Plans for Small Communities
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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Preparing for the coronavirus in small communities. Mr. Speaker, I'm reluctant to talk about the coronavirus a the second day in a row because it is important to let the people know not to panic, but knowing that good plans are in place to help reduce panic, so that's what I want to focus on today. Knowing that yesterday, the World Health Organization confirmed that the coronavirus outbreak is a pandemic. There's 149 cases in Canada today. There is no universal definition. There are three general criteria of the pandemic, Mr. Speaker. A virus that can cause illness or death, sustain person-to-person transmission, and evidence of spread throughout the world.

Yesterday's announcement sent a signal to many countries to shift focus on trying to stop the spread of the virus, trying to slow it down. In some countries, containment is not realistic in point, however, the remote location where our communities could take advantage of that, Mr. Speaker, in stopping the spread. We need to be clear communication from this government today about the illnesses. What are we doing? Is the NWT to confront this illness, Mr. Speaker? My phone is blowing up from my mayors regarding when are we going to start hearing from our Municipal and Community Affairs?

I want to know: where are they going to put all the people if there's illness in the communities, Mr. Speaker? What is the government considering on closing the highways or halting travel or checking people at the main airport in Edmonton or here in Yellowknife before they go north? Will there be more healthcare providers put in the community, and when? How is Health and Social Services marshalling respirators to send into our communities? How will the food supplies to get into our communities if there's a sustained outbreak, Mr. Speaker? They also need to know, when can we trigger the emergency plans? Can we do that now, or do we have to wait until people are getting sick? We have to be proactive, not reactive, Mr. Speaker. We need emergency plans that have to get acted on. As I said, because of the remote location, we might still be able to stop the spread of the virus in or communities, but we'll have to take action fast, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I want the Deputy Premier to provide assurances that Health and Social Services and MACA are working together on emergency plans for the coronavirus that will be communicated to the public as quickly as possible, and be proactive, not reactive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Members' statements. Member for Monfwi.

Frank Channel Bridge Replacement
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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Masi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] Sorry, it was not English. I'd like to apologize for that. Okay, I've got it. [Translation ends]

Masi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] I'd like to talk about the bridge, the Frank Channel Bridge.

Mr. Speaker, last August, the territorial government announced that it had secured a $30 million contribution from the federal government's National Trade, and also a $10 million contribution will fund environmental assessments, and also, I would like to talk on this issue. [Translation ends]

Mr. Speaker, [microphone turned off] ...million contribution from the federal government in the National Trade Corridor Fund. This contribution coupled with a corresponding $10 million from the GNWT to fund the environment assessments and planning for the Slave Geological Transportation Corridor. The planning component of this $40 million investment will, along with other things, bring the first section of corridor to a "shovel-ready" state.

Frank Channel Bridge Replacement
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

We're having a technical issue. It keeps cutting out. Is everything okay? If we could start over, please. Thank you.

Frank Channel Bridge Replacement
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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Masi, Mr. Speaker, I'll do it for a third time. Mr. Speaker, last August 14, the territorial government announced that it had secured a $30 million contribution from the federal government's National Trade Corridor Fund. This contribution coupled with a corresponding $10 million from GNWT to fund an environmental assessment and planning for the Slave Geological Transportation Corridor. The planning component of $40 million investment will, among other things, bring the first section of corridor to a "shovel-ready" state. Mr. Speaker, that section is running from the end of our existing Highway 4 to Lockhart Lake.

Mr. Speaker, the previous government is to be commended for acquiring federal support for Slave Geological Corridor. However, Mr. Speaker, it is regrettable that the territorial government has not had the same success with the Frank Channel Bridge, which the Minister of Infrastructure acknowledges is in dire need of replacement, Mr. Speaker, which is also the subject of an application for National Trade Corridor funding, and which is vastly more critical to the people of this territory than the Slave Geological Corridor. It's ironic, Mr. Speaker, that, without the Frank Channel Bridge, the Slave Geological Transportation Corridor won't see a single truck axel, won't carry a single stick of freight. That is, of course, because one must cross the Frank Channel Bridge in order to reach that corridor.

Mr. Speaker, this department's "cart before the horse" logic makes me wonder if the Minister's department has given sufficient priority to the Frank Channel Bridge. It makes me wonder, also, if perhaps this department has been too busy pandering to the whims of mining industries rather than providing the real meat-and-potatoes infrastructure needs of our people. I will have questions for the appropriate Minister at the appropriate time. Masi.

Frank Channel Bridge Replacement
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

COVID-19 Concerns in the Northwest Territories
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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to share some remarks regarding the ongoing situation on COVID-19, and I just want to add a little bit to what my colleague from Nunakput has already said regarding that. It is a pandemic, yes, and we need to be proactive as a government. I want to remind everybody, the general public, that there have been zero confirmed cases of this virus in the NWT to date, and officials within the Department of Health and Social Services have remained adamant that the risk of contracting this illness in the NWT remains low because of time. As well, our territory's Chief Public Health Officer said just yesterday during a press conference that the NWT has already been treating the situation as a pandemic for two weeks. I want to make sure that everybody puts their mind at ease in my riding that our territorial government is actively monitoring the situation and responding accordingly.

However, Mr. Speaker, for all people in the NWT, they must remain vigilant and be cognizant and accepting of the fact that cases of this COVID-19 could very well occur in the NWT. This is a fluid situation that continues to unfold and change on a daily basis. As of this morning, Canada had one death, along with 149 confirmed cases of this virus, spanning across several provinces. As of this morning, this has resulted in dozens of planned public events being cancelled or postponed across the country, and around the world, as a precautionary measure to try to limit the spread of this virus.

Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, there was a travel advisory by our government for non-essential workers to not leave the territory, and I advise that our Indigenous governments and our industry should follow suit, as well, just to help contain this problem. Yesterday, our federal government has responded to the outbreak by responding with a $1-billion spending package to help our country's healthcare system and economy cope with this outbreak, and about half of this money is being transferred to the provinces and territories directly to prepare and react to this virus.

Overall, Mr. Speaker, I just want to reiterate to the public that it is important to remain calm and not to panic. As a territory, as a country, as a global community, we will hopefully get through this together. I will have questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services afterwards. Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North.

Agricultural Land in the Northwest Territories
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think every day there are more and more reminders that we are living in an increasingly globalized world. Whether it be a pandemic or the crashing of oil prices, we are not immune from global forces, Mr. Speaker, none of which is greater than climate change. I increasingly think it needs to be stated that we are not doing enough, nor is any other government. Consistently, scientists are reporting that we will not meet our targets.

I would like to speak to one aspect of climate change adaptation that I think we must take swift action on, Mr. Speaker, and that is food security. Consistent reports have said those who will be affected first by food security due to climate change are those in rural areas, those on low income, those who are already food-insecure. I don't believe I have to tell this House that that falls to many of our people. No one in this House would deny the importance of food security for the North; in fact, our mandate includes increasing locally produced food as a priority. As we face the challenges of adapting to climate change, it is key for us to be swift in our attempts to build a network of food producers in the North.

Mr. Speaker, the key to any agricultural endeavour, whether crop or livestock, is land. We currently have no leasing process which is regulated specifically for agricultural purposes in the North. Most jurisdictions around Canada allow you to apply for agricultural land at a small cost in order to promote the industry; in fact, the Canadian agricultural industry is largely subsidized as a recognition of the importance to a nation's sovereignty in having locally produced food.

Typically, agricultural land gives you a number of benefits, including allowing you to reside on that land, allowing you to have dwellings for caretakers. We do not have that set up in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. The agricultural strategy identifies land as a key pillar to the success of our agriculture industry and identifies that the GNWT will establish and review land tenure policies and procedures around this. I'm glad to hear this, but I am afraid that we are moving too slowly. The Department of Lands is going to take years to do this work.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Lands is at the middle of a Gordian knot that is land use in the Northwest Territories. There is an over-complicated process, and we need to simplify it. I believe, if someone comes to us wanting to produce agricultural land, the first thing should be: how can we make this happen swiftly and now? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have questions for the Minister of Lands.

Agricultural Land in the Northwest Territories
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Gladue Reports
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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am continuing with my Justice issues theme week. The Yukon is piloting a new approach to the overrepresentation of Indigenous people in corrections. The Department of Justice there is funding a three-year pilot program to train people to write what are called Gladue reports. A Gladue report provides detailed information about the offender's background, including time spent in residential schools, in the care of child welfare, family and community history, as well as struggles with mental health and addictions; essentially, accounting for the traumas and tragedies of colonialism. The reports are named after a Supreme Court of Canada decision given 20 years ago, which asked judges to consider unique factors when sentencing Indigenous offenders.

A Gladue report is a piece of a toolkit for the courts to consider when sentencing the offender. The intention is to encourage the consideration of restorative approaches to sentencing, rather than jail time or fines. During the first year of Yukon's pilot program, Gladue writers produced 37 reports for use during sentencing. What is new here is that the Yukon has formalized the production of these reports. Instead of someone doing them off the side of their desks, there is now a group of staff experienced in writing the reports. Further, the reports have been standardized so that the information is consistent and readily available to the judiciary.

Mr. Speaker, there are some noteworthy aspects to the Yukon's pilot project. First, it's collaborative. It includes both the Yukon Legal Services Society and the Council of Yukon First Nations. Second, there has been a focus on training Indigenous people as report writers because of their innate understanding of the context of the convicted. Third, the cost of the pilot project is $530,000 over three years. To me, this is a reasonable investment, considering the higher costs of jailing offenders and continuing the cycle of trauma.

There is no equivalent to the Gladue reports in the Northwest Territories. Pre-sentence reports are written by probation officers and focus on risk and risk management. In short, they serve a different purpose. Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Justice. Mahsi.

Gladue Reports
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre. Members' statements. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Beaufort Delta Youth Declaration on Climate Change
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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our youth are our future, and we need to ensure that we hear what they are saying, because the decisions we make today will affect them when we are no longer here. We continue to hear from our youth, and we need to be mindful when making decisions that we represent them when we are here in this House. Although many of these youth cannot vote, they are looking to us to ensure that, as NWT residents, they are being heard and listened to. I will therefore read the Youth of the Beaufort-Delta Declaration on Climate Change, as well as table the document in this House today. Our Climate Our Arctic - Beaufort-Delta Declaration made on March 8, 2020.

As the youth of the Beaufort-Delta, we are one with the land, the water, and the animals. We stand up for what we believe is right and consider the future of our environment while trying to understand the past and carry forward and value the knowledge of our ancestors.

We recognize that climate change is a worldwide problem; however, the rate of change in the North is much more rapid. Our region is a preview of the effects of climate change. The climate crisis is affecting every aspect of who we are. Our communities need to be less economically driven and more environmentally driven. We can't escape our changing climate, but we can adapt. We don't control our environment, but we are a part of it. We need to ensure that we have effective resources in order to implement our ideas for change into action. We encourage collaboration with the intent of creating a sustainable future. We want to ensure that we as youth, and our future generations of youth, are able to maintain and expand our connection to, and respect for, the environment. We are trying to set a sustainable and well-cultured example. Our voices as youth are powerful and valuable, and we need to be heard.

Climate change is an overwhelming subject, and it's hard to fight the lack of hope. We will work toward our goals, even if they won't be achieved in our lifetime. We are resilient in the face of the challenges we encounter. And they were Maddysen Kingmiaqtuq, Helayna Cockney-Goose, Kata Kuhnert, Kyla Goose, Sienna Gordon, Davonna Kasook, Nicholas Cockney, Olivia Inglangaskuk, and Eriel Lugt. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake.

Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. Last week, I raised some concerns around the continued funding for the Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board. There are some great people on that board and their work seems reasonable, but there are zero disputes that have come forward in the seven years since enabling legislation was passed. In light of this, I question the need for such a body. It also entrenches the antiquated free-entry system for mineral rights acquisition, a regime that seems out of step with even the Mineral Resources Act passed by the last Legislative Assembly.

The Harper government's Bill C-47, the so-called "Northern Jobs and Growth Act," lumped together a number of land rights agreements implementation provisions, including the Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board. GNWT's Surface Rights Board Act simply mirrors the federal legislative provisions including:

  • setting mining as highest and best use of the land. Mining trumps any other land use, even Aboriginal rights-based use. Land owners or users are only entitled to compensation in the event of a conflict; and
  • the Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board duplicates and overlaps with existing provisions for surface rights and access disputes resolution.

If GNWT needs to explore ways to modernize this legislation, it should do it in consultation with Indigenous governments and it should be along the following lines:

  • The Surface Rights Board should have the power to deny access where and when appropriate;
  • The legislation should not apply within municipal boundaries and municipalities should have the ability to control or prohibit mineral rights acquisition within their boundaries;
  • "Access" should be re-interpreted broadly to include air-only access through the use of aircraft;
  • The board should be given the power to require financial security to ensure compliance with its orders;
  • A co-management model should be adopted in terms of the board composition where Indigenous governments appoint half the members; and
  • The board should have the discretion to hear from those other than the parties to the dispute.

I will have questions later today for the Minister of Lands. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake.

Mental Health Care for Children
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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If a child broke their arm, we would immediately take them to the doctor, where they would have an x-ray, a cast applied, and given pain medication; but what happens when a child's injury is mental and not physical?

First, Mr. Speaker, I want to commend the work being done by organizations like the Rainbow Coalition of the NWT and FOXY/SMASH. However, recently I learned of the journey a child travels when they disclose mental health challenges. A family was contacted by an adult at their child's school advising them that the child had disclosed intent to self-harm and had a plan to end their life. As you can imagine, Mr. Speaker, this was devastating for the family.

The parent called the Primary Care clinic to request an appointment with a counsellor. As Yellowknife residents know, same-day appointments are highly sought after but rarely found. Next, the parent called a local private therapist. They could see the child in a month, at a rate of $200 an hour. The parent again called the Primary Care clinic and insisted on seeing a family physician. The family physician identified the child as urgent, meaning that the child would be seen by both a counsellor and a child psychiatrist.

Mr. Speaker, this is what the journey to care looked like from the perspective of the child. First, the child told their story to an adult; a brave first step. Second, the child told their story to the family physician. Third, the child was expected to tell their story to the intake counsellor before they would then, if found to be in need of mental health support, share their story with the counsellor. Fifth, Mr. Speaker, this child would speak to the child psychiatrist's intake nurse and then, as a sixth step, would see the child psychiatrist. All while the parent assured the child that they are important, that they matter, that they have a place in this world, and that, yes, the adults are listening.

The wait times children experience while working their way through a six-person triage is not realistic or responsive, and to be honest, Mr. Speaker, the family never made it to territorially funded mental healthcare. Because, just as we would not expect a child to continue through life with a broken arm, how can we expect them to heal without mental health supports? Mr. Speaker, expecting anyone, let alone a child, to share their story six times is not care. We must review our mental health triage processes, and we need to ensure that mental health is accessible and responsive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Members' statements. Item 4, return to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Nunakput.

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I have visitors. Thank you for coming. I would like to welcome Tony Lucas, Sr., Donna Keogak. Thank you for bringing down my Pages from the community of Sachs Harbour, and my pages, Tony Lucas, Jr., and Rylan Esau, for working so hard and helping us here in the Assembly and in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Yellowknife North.

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize my constituent from Yellowknife North, Irene Hache, here with us today. It's always good to have visitors. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Hay River North.

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R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to recognize a couple of Pages who are returning, Ms. Charlotte Buth and Ms. Josee Touesnard. I want to thank them for their help this year, and last year, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Hay River North. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Page Alexander Ramsay, who is with us today in the House. Thank you.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Welcome to the Chamber. If we've missed anyone, I hope you are enjoying the proceedings. It's always nice to have an audience with us. Thank you. Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. Member for Nunakput.

Question 186-19(2): COVID-19 Emergency Planning
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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. COVID-19, 145 cases in Canada to date. I need to know if the Emergency Measures Act that was updated by the last Assembly to the GNWT overhauled its emergency plan, besides the planning that is underway right now to give the residents of the Northwest Territories, especially the small communities that we represent, direction on how the government is handling this outbreak. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Deputy Premier.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Deputy Premier.

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has been declared, as we are aware, a pandemic by the World Health Organization, and requires enhanced public health and emergency preparedness. The Member is asking: what is the government doing to prepare? The GNWT has a territorial planning committee which is leading a broader, all-of-government approach emergency response planning to address potential disruptions and essential community, regional, and territorial services and support.

The Health and Social Services emergency operations centre has been fully activated to permit the Health and Social Services system to coordinate rapid planning in advance of a Northwest Territories outbreak. The chief medical public health officer is leading the public health preparations and surveillance and providing subject matter expertise to the Health and Social Services system and the GNWT on pandemic planning requirements. The NWT COVID-19 pandemic planning guide and checklist is guiding the Health and Social Services system preparations. The Health and Social Services authorities are planning for a surge in cases that may affect regular delivery of health services. Decisions around deferring the delivery of non-essential health services may be made as necessary. Staff have received fresher training on infectious disease protocols. The Northwest Territories receives routine updates from the Canadian public health office officials on suspected and confirmed cases reported in other parts of Canada and the world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

What are the plans to assist small communities for the pandemic?

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

The Departments of Health and Social Services and Municipal and Community Affairs are providing information, guidance, and support to community and Indigenous governments. The department will continue to share information necessary for their planning efforts. The local and regional authorities, governments, agencies, and businesses should be finalizing emergency readiness plans in light of the potential for a COVID-19 outbreak. An outbreak in the Northwest Territories could impact community services and may increase the need for basic supplies, as well as water delivery, sewage pump-out, and facilities to the homes. Organizers of these events and gatherings should assess their plans, recognizing that this is an evolving situation that may require rapid decisions to protect the health and well-being of our residents here in the Northwest Territories. We know that community members will band together and support each other in the event that COVID-19 reaches their community.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Is MACA doing outreach to the municipal and community governments in our 33 communities across the territory in regard to what is happening with COVID-19, and when are they able to start their emergency action plans?

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Yes, the departments are working together, and there was a meeting yesterday, my colleagues here have just informed me. Plans are underway, and our departments and the Northwest Territories, we take this seriously. We are all working together as a department to ensure that messaging and information to our communities is done, and it's immediate.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Deputy Premier. Final supplementary, Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Deputy Premier: does the GNWT have plans to stop highway travel, or are we checking the drivers? Are we stopping any aircraft in regard to being checked in Edmonton or here in Yellowknife for pre-screening before they head North for the safety of our citizens? If this COVID-19 hits our communities, nursing stations are not going to be able to give aspirin and Tylenol and send them home. This has to be dealt with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

I am sincere with the Member's concerns. I am from a small community, as well, and in preparation for our week coming up, we will be going home. This is fairly new, and we have been planning and planning. There are measures being taken within our departments to ensure that we have safeguards in all of our communities, all 33 communities in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Deputy Premier. Oral questions. Member for Monfwi.

Question 187-19(2): National Trade Corridor Submission for Frank Channel Bridge
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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Masi, Mr. Speaker. [Translation] I spoke earlier about the Frank Channel Bridge earlier today. I also spoke about the federal government and the impossible road to the mines. We have a lot of Ministers. The Minister that is here, the Minister of Finance, my question is directed to the Minister of Finance. [End of translation]

[Microphone turned off] ...spending on the less critical Slave geological transportation corridor. Mr. Speaker, I guess we have to juggle the departments, but I will ask the Minister of Finance: could the Minister of Finance please explain how the Slave Geological Transportation Corridor took precedence over one simple bridge project on which the corridor usefulness is entirely based on? Mr. Speaker, I am referring, of course, to the replacement of the Frank Channel Bridge. Masi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Monfwi. Minister of Finance.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are any number of projects that are constantly being evaluated across the Northwest Territories, and it's not that one takes precedence over another. There are a number of factors that go into evaluating these projects and a number of factors that go into evaluating which projects are supported. Ultimately, this particular project, I understand that money was sought from the National Trade Corridors Fund, and that kind of funding would support and assist in moving this project forward. As far as any specific reason why that project might have been denied or put down on the list, I would have to get back on the Member on that, other than to say that there is a recognition that there is any number of projects that would all like to be advanced. We are going to simply have to distribute those resources to one project at a time sometimes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

That leads to my next question about being transparent. I want to see for myself if this Minister's department has given sufficient weight to the Frank Channel Bridge replacement project. With this in mind, could the Minister of Finance, working with her colleague, the Minister of Infrastructure, please provide historical data comparing her department's submissions, milestones, application timelines, intergovernmental meetings, relating to the Frank Channel Bridge and the Slave Geological Transportation Corridor.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

The Member raises quite an exhaustive list of items that are being requested, some of which, to the extent that they are involving other governments, may not be items that I can directly disclose. What I would suggest is that I certainly will arrange for a technical briefing in conference with the appropriate standing committee and ensure that I work with the Member so that as much information meets with the requests that are being made here in order to prepare for that briefing.

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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Obviously, I would like to see some sort of correspondence between the federal government and the territorial government. There has been a lot of discussion on this subject, even from previous governments until today. I am asking the Minister of Finance to table this in the House, her department's, and also the Minister of Infrastructure's department, most recent proposal for federal, national, trade corridor funding respecting the Frank Channel Bridge replacement project.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I anticipate that that application was made by Infrastructure, so I will certainly be in contact with the responsible Minister and ensure that we work together to put to the House what is disclosable and appropriate so that we can ensure that we are being transparent and that we continue to move forward in applying for whatever funding is available for all of the many infrastructure projects that are still necessary, including the Frank Channel Bridge that the Member is speaking to specifically.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Monfwi.

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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Masi, Mr. Speaker. My final question, obviously, pertains to the process. When I spoke to our MP, Michael McLeod, a couple of months back, he was also asking about the proposal, the bridge, the Frank Channel Bridge, if it was submitted. I just want to ask the Minister of Finance if there was a submission made for the Frank Channel Bridge with the federal government, the corridor funding. If I can get some sort of correspondence pertaining to that, Mr. Speaker, I would greatly appreciate it. Masi.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I will personally look into this and see what the status of any applications are. I don't know offhand. Certainly, it's not a new project, and it is an important project. I will look into it, and see that I respond directly to the Member, and that any information that can be tabled in this House, that we do so this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

Question 188-19(2): COVID-19 Planning
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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Just to do some follow-up questions from my colleague from Nunakput. Can the Minister comment if she has worked with our federal Minister of health on a plan to battle the virus, and if so, what resources are being committed to the territories? Marsi cho.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister of Health and Social Services.

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

The federal government announced $500 million, and I think what the Member is asking is: how much of this money will we receive here in the Northwest Territories and the provinces, and is this amount sufficient? We are pleased that the federal government has announced this funding. We have heard from the federal Minister of Health that this funding is just the beginning of support which is great because that is not a lot of money. We are currently working to identify areas where funding can support us and how much we will need to do this. Officials in my department are working to prepare a list of our needs and finalizing proposals, and we are expected to complete this by tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you to the Minister for her response. That's encouraging. It may fall to the Minister of Finance's purview, but hopefully, the Minister of health can answer this. Will the Minister be extending any additional sick-day benefits for residents who may need to take some time off work to self-isolate?

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

The Member is correct; it should go to Finance. However, we've been briefed in Cabinet, and there was an e-mail that was sent out to the employees yesterday, informing them of some of the questions and answers. One of the questions that was asked was: according to the GNWT policy, employees experiencing symptoms of cough, fever, difficulty breathing, experiencing those symptoms, and waiting for test results or have been diagnosed with the COVID-19 will have access to sick leave with pay.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Probably, the biggest question I think I have on here is: in terms of our public institutions, are there any plans in place to close schools, community halls, and other work places?

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

At this time, we are not considering closing any public institutions. There are no confirmed cases of COVID-19 here in the Northwest Territories as of a few minutes ago, and if there was, I'd be the second to know. There are no cases here. As a result of that, we are not planning on closing down any public institution. However, as a precautionary measure, our government is enhancing surveillance for the COVID-19 to include those individuals who present flu-like symptoms within 14 days, or have travelled outside the Northwest Territories. The best precautions, however, are what we've been communicating. If you are sick, stay home. If you have flu-like symptoms, stay home. Monitor yourself. Practice safe hygiene and respiratory practices.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I heard the Minister, as well, mentioning that there are some committees. There are some plans in place. My main concern, too, is as for some of the smaller communities. Will there be any sort of a compensation, if in the event it ever goes down as a lockdown, to help out with food and rationing and that sort of thing? Compensation, I guess, is where I'm going with that, emergency planning. Marsi cho.

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

We're not aware of compensation yet. I think we're still in the planning stage. The Northwest Territories COVID-19 pandemic planning guide and checklist is guiding our system preparations. The Health and Social Services authorities are planning for a surge in case this may affect regular delivery of health services. As we prepare to respond for a potential pandemic, there are certainly risks that we will face. We are planning to address these risks, even as the situation changes quickly. These areas are planned, is preparing to respond to, and what will be reflected in our proposal to the federal government to help support and provide us with funding. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Hay River South.

Question 189-19(2): Contractor Suspension List
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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The questions are for the Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation. Earlier, I spoke about suspension lists for contractors. I'd like to ask the Minister, does the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation have a suspension list for contractors in place? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Minister responsible for Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are very few suspensions in the Northwest Territories. We do have a list that we do keep, but we do also try to work with our contractors to get them back into good standing so we are able to further do more business with them. We try to educate them through the process, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

The Minister indicated that there were only a few on there. Can she tell me exactly how many is on that list?

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

I don't have that information in front of me as to how many contractors we have on suspension right now, but I really want to emphasize that we do try to work with our contractors so they do remain in good standing with the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. I could request from my department to provide a list for the Member's riding of the contractors that the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation does do business with.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

I'd like to ask the Minister: how is it determined if a contractor should be placed on the suspension list?

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

It is determined by the service that is provided and if the contractor defaults in the projects that are put forward. We really try to work with the contractors in-depth to make sure that they are successful in receiving the contracts that they do receive from the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every contractor deserves due process, and I'd like to ask the Minister: can the Minister supply me with a copy of the policy or legislation that sets out the process and criteria for determining whether a contractor is to be placed on the list? Thank you.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

The Northwest Territories corporation administers through policies. I will direct my staff to find this policy that identifies the defaulting contractors, and I will provide that information to the Member. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral question. Member for Thebacha.

Question 190-19(2): Lack of Enforcement in Illegal Drug Trade
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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, my first question for the Minister of Justice is: partnerships and relationships with the RCMP are important in small communities and regional centres. I am proud to say that I have a positive relationship with the commander of "G" Division and the local members of the RCMP at our local detachment. Enforcement in the drug trade is also important. Would the Minister relay the message to the commander of "G" Division of the concerns of the community of Fort Smith and the constituents of Thebacha?

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Minister of Justice.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, absolutely. As I quite coincidentally was speaking about policing priorities, one of the roles that I have is to develop policing priorities that guide the unfolding of policing services across the Northwest Territories. I certainly heard that today and do intend, as I said earlier, to take that into account when developing those priorities. Yes. Absolutely, I will reach out to the commander of the detachment. We have regular meetings, but I will also engage with the Member more to ensure that there is input about these concerns when I am developing those priorities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Would the Minister consider asking the commander of "G" Division, or his or her designate, to meet with the community leaders of Fort Smith to address this major problem that is inflicting many members of our community and affecting family life?

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I can certainly add the concerns raised here and, indeed, perhaps provide a copy of the Hansard of this Member's statement to the detachment commander to ensure that they are aware of those concerns that are being raised and encourage them to do what they can to engage directly. I can also ensure that, when we have meetings and engagements with communities, including with the community of Fort Smith, that I, too, am also being made aware of exactly the concerns by the community members directly from them so that we can continue to address them throughout the course of the next few years by the Department of Justice, as well.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Would the Minister consider that the commander of "G" Division, or his or her designate, meet with the two schools in Fort Smith to address the dangers of illegal drugs and the consequences of getting involved in the drug trade and the use of these substances?

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Again, as I have said, I will certainly be raising with my counterpart at the RCMP, with my colleague at the RCMP, the concerns being raised on behalf of Thebacha. I know that going into the communities and going into the schools is a significant part of the work that the RCMP does. They spend a lot of time and a lot of effort making sure that they are continuing to be engaged in exactly that fashion. I am confident that they will continue to do that. I can also say that, on the part of community justice, which is within the Department of Justice, that we can look, too, to what is happening with our community justice committee in Fort Smith and ensure that they are making best efforts and all efforts to be engaged in the community and to reach out exactly as the Member has described to the youth in the community.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, would the Minister ensure that the commander of "G" Division makes it a priority for the members of the Fort Smith detachment to make enforcement of criminal activity in the drug trade a priority?

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I am not in a position to say what the police priority action plans will be that are developed between the RCMP and a specific community, but again, I can certainly look at the policing priorities that are developed on the Ministerial level. Then we'll certainly have engagement again with our RCMP and to speak to them about the concerns that are being raised. I am confident that, when they go through their own process with the community, it is a direct engagement. I have asked them in the past about that process and sought assurance that they are developing their community policing action plans in a timely fashion and with direct engagement from the community. I will continue to have those conversations with the RCMP, and I am confident that, certainly, from the detachment level, they also recognize the importance of that direct community engagement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

Question 191-19(2): Gladue Reports
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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Justice. As I said in my statement, the Yukon government is piloting a program to train Indigenous people to write Gladue reports. The purpose of the report is to inform the court of the background and circumstances of an Indigenous offender so that courts have consistent information when considering sentencing. My question is: has the Minister given any thought to funding a report-writing program like the one being piloted in the Yukon? Thank you.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you. Minister of Justice.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have given thought, and I have personally given thought, to whether or not we can fund that. As the Member is aware, Gladue report-writing's purpose is to provide better information to the courts so that they can make better decisions in a way that respect somebody's Indigenous heritage but also respects, sometimes, the systemic issues that impact an individual when they come before the courts. The ultimate purpose of that, Mr. Speaker, is to reduce the over-incarceration of Indigenous people in Canadian prisons, particularly in Northwest Territories prisons. Ultimately, while having given thought to whether or not this is a direction we want to go, at this time, our focus is on other ways of actually achieving that same goal and putting those resources towards achieving that same goal in other ways. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

That was an intriguing answer. Can the Minister tell us what other equivalent ways she is looking at reducing Indigenous representation in the justice system?

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

The Department of Justice will be doing some strategic planning when session is over. During the course of that, one of the priorities that we have that has been a personal priority for me is to achieve some movement in terms of the overrepresentation of Indigenous people in prisons. There are ways of doing that by increasing our community engagement; by increasing community justice programming; by looking to diversion programs; by truly avoiding people going into the jail system in the first place; by, for example, reducing the amount of people who are in remand. There are a number of levers that we can pull, and those are all going to be levers that we are looking to to see what changes we can make both quickly but also systemically over time.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Any and all attempts to reduce Indigenous representation in the justice system and in corrections, I think, are welcome. I see the potential in Gladue reports, and I hope that the Minister will include this in her strategic planning session. Could I have that assurance, please?

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

More information doesn't hurt. More information is better, and certainly, we do need to ensure that the reasons that bring people before courts are fully understood. I have personally seen the difference that that can make in the course of a court proceeding. Yes, I will certainly assure that consideration is given to whether or not full Gladue reports can or should be included and whether resources should be directed in that vein.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Final supplementary, Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to the Minister for that. One of the intriguing ideas about the Yukon example is that it is a collaboration between the Council of Yukon First Nations, Legal Aid, and the territorial government. I encourage the Minister to have some research done into that program to see how it may be beneficial there. Is she able to make that commitment? Thank you.

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I had the opportunity to meet with my colleagues from the Yukon at the First Ministers' Meeting that was held not long ago, and we had a very good conversation about a lot of initiatives that are happening in the Yukon right now. Indeed, some of our alternative courts were modelled after systems back in the Yukon. I can certainly assure the Member that those exact conversations with that jurisdiction will continue and that we will both continue to share best practices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister for Housing Corporation. Can the Minister tell me whether or not they have a way to triage their housing waiting list, knowing that, in my community, there are 80 single people on that list? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hear the Member's concern about the waiting list, and it is an ongoing problem throughout the Northwest Territories. Going forward, I will be working with my staff and trying to establish a way of how are we going to work with the people on the list and look at the differences between if the people are on Income Support or if they are on the public housing list. It's very complicated, and I need to pay a lot closer attention to understand why our waiting lists are so high. I will be working with the Member going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you for that response. The commitment that I'm looking for is to take a look at that list in my community, where there are people who have been on there, like I said, six-plus years that I've actually dealt with. I know, after speaking to the Minister of ECE, that policies have changed, and maybe they've been sitting on that list all this time, not knowing that policies have changed in Income Support. Will the Minister commit to reviewing that list, going through that list, and possibly working with the Minister of ECE to ensure that clients who are on that list who could be supported by Income Support get some help?

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
Oral Questions

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you to the Member for her question. Like I said, the housing list is a huge concern for me as the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation. Going forward, I want to look at an assessment of the list that is currently throughout the Northwest Territories. I want to assess that list and I want to work with my colleague, the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment, and try to look at solutions going forward and look at our policies and see where we need to amend our policies in order to be more effective in the Northwest Territories.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
Oral Questions

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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

If you could provide the checklist or triage list, because I always hear they get points, and the more points they have, then the faster they will get a unit. If you could provide that kind of a document that the LHOs are using to score clients, that would be great. It would help us to be able to work with clients who are coming to us.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
Oral Questions

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Yes, I will look at that list, and I will provide that to the Member. I want to do an assessment to look at this issue that we do have with the Housing Corporation. It is, honestly, very concerning. I do see that we have some people who have been on the waiting list for years, and I need to change that. I need to start working with the Northwest Territories and with my employees at the LHO level and start to find and identify solutions on how we are going to deliver a strong program and strongly work with our clients in the smaller communities.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason I bring this up, as well, is that we do have the homeless shelter, and the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation is the Minister who is responsible for homelessness. The people who have been living in our homeless shelter have been there for years, you know, and there is no movement in there where people transition into private accommodations, or anything, so maybe that's another area where she has staff in that department who can look at the people who are living there transitioning into, if they can transition into, support by Income Support, to make room for more people in there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
Oral Questions

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Yes. As the Housing Corporation, we need to find stronger solutions. We need to find stronger initiatives to work with the people who are in our communities who are experiencing the homelessness, and we need to find stronger ideas on how we are going to be working with them going forward and exercising the programs and services the Government of the Northwest Territories currently has. Going forward, I will be working very closely with the Member and looking at solutions that will honestly probably affect the rest of the Northwest Territories and finding solutions on how we're going to work throughout the territory, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 192-19(2): Housing Waiting Lists
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister of Lands. In my statement earlier today, I outlined a number of issues or problems with the Surface Rights Board Act. These problems included the board's inability to refuse access, application of the legislation within municipal boundaries, air-only access, use of financial security to ensure compliance, compensation of the board, and allowing the board to hear from others than the parties to the dispute. These are in addition to the fact that the board hasn't actually been asked to resolve any disputes in seven years. Can the Minister tell us whether any of these issues, or others, have been raised with the department? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister of Lands.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Surface Rights Board is a land claim obligation in the Gwich'in final agreement and is referenced in the Sahtu and the Tlicho agreements. The department has not heard from any IGOs or other governments or organizations about issues with this board presently. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

I want to thank the Minister for that. During the review of the department's 2020-2021 Main Estimates, the Minister committed to look into the need to continue the Surface Rights Board; I've got that in Hansard here. This is a very helpful commitment because the legislation itself contains no provision for any kind of review. Can the Minister tell us how he intends to carry out this review, in consultation with Indigenous governments and the NWT?

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

In the main estimates, I did make a commitment that we should look at this board, and we did. One of the things we did was examine the land claim agreements, and I can confirm the Surface Rights Board is a land claim obligation in the Gwich'in and is also stated in the Sahtu and Tlicho agreements. This board is actually fully funded by the Government of Canada, so we have an obligation to have this board in place.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

The Minister is right. There are provisions in the agreements for the board, and there is one year of funding, apparently, one year of funding. Many of these issues that I have raised about application within municipal boundaries, use of financial security to ensure compliance, these are not inconsistent with what is found in the agreements. I actually participated in the review of the original federal legislation. There was very little support for it at the public hearing in Yellowknife, except from the mining industry. Will the Minister commit to engaging Indigenous and the public, including the mining industry, during the review of the Surface Rights Board Act?

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

As the request, right now, we haven't heard anything from Indigenous governments. We haven't heard from the mining industry. Right now, we haven't heard, besides our Member here, and I appreciate his work leading up to this. Right now, we haven't heard anything from them. I can reach out to the three land claim agreements to see if they have concerns with it, but right now, we're not going to review this because it's an obligation in the agreements.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Frame Lake.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. I want to thank the Minister for that. There are provisions in the agreements for interim arrangements, as well, in the absence of legislation. This legislation was forced on us by the federal government, and I think it's time that we looked at it. Look, this board has been in place for seven years; not one dispute. That's, I don't know, over $2 million spent on this work, and no disputes to resolve. Can the Minister give us a schedule for the review that he has committed to undertake on the Surface Rights Board Act? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

As I said, we have not heard anything from Indigenous governments on this concern. We are under the process that we will review this if there is a new land claim settled, and we would actually start the process then. I am willing to work with the Member to see how we and the committee can start this process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 193-19(2): Northwest Territories Surface Rights Board
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier today in my statement, presently, there is no such thing as an agricultural lease in the Northwest Territories. My question to the Minister of Lands is: when can we see agricultural leases in the Northwest Territories?

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you. Minister of Lands.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Presently, people wanting agricultural leases need to apply through commercial activity. This work that Lands and ITI are currently undertaking will address agricultural activities. Right now, we are working on it, but presently, they would have to go through the commercial lease act process. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I quite often hear that Lands is working on things, but I rarely hear that Lands has completed things. The issue with going through the commercial lease process is that you cannot live on a commercial lease. If you're going to farm, you should probably live there. My question is: is the Minister willing to review the commercial leasing process to see if agricultural people can live on the land?

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

I have heard this concern from the Member and other people in here. In the long term, we don't allow that, but in the present, what we are encouraging people to do is to actually apply for residential leases besides the commercial lease for the land so that they can live beside the land right now. We are in the process of trying to work on it, and the process takes some time.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I don't often like to refer to the Yukon as doing things better than us, but I can tell you what a proper agricultural land system looks like. In the Yukon, if you live on a piece of land for seven years, they give it to you for free in fee simple. It's not a lease; you get to own that land if you're willing to put it to agricultural use. Now, I think this is, perhaps, too much to ask the Department of Lands to look at something like that, but when we are looking at agricultural leases, can we look at the pricing and make this as cheap as possible for those willing to start agricultural businesses?

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

The Yukon has a great process; we can't argue about that. We also have land claims processes, so we have to remember to respect Indigenous rights as we move forward. However, in hearing the Member speak about this and that, we are actually working on that. We are trying to make that part of the regulations. We are dealing with it. Presently, I would just like to point out that raw land is already low. It's at $800 per hectare for territorial land; 5 percent of assessed value for Commissioner's land. Again, like I said, pricing for the review of this process will be part of our Public Land Act and regulations.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do look forward to the implementation of the Public Land Act and finally having one piece of land. I think it is a huge step that will help us deal with the issues of finally getting the outstanding land claims settled. My question is, though, for the Yellowknife periphery area. I have the Ingraham Trail on it, and I have no shortage of constituents complaining about the Department of Lands and the lack of planning and the mishap way that we have rolled out leases in that area. In regard to agricultural requests that have come from constituents, can the Yellowknife periphery area plan look into agricultural use? Thank you.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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Shane Thompson Nahendeh

Yes, that's part of it. We also have to understand that there is high demand for recreational leases, and that is part of the plan moving forward. We are working on it, and I will keep the Member informed as we move forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 194-19(2): Agricultural Leases in the Northwest Territories
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know that mental health supports are not one-size-fits-all, so I am wondering how the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services authority educates Northerners about their mental health treatment options. Thank you.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister of Health and Social Services.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Information available for our mental health supports and services can be found on our department's website. The department also uses social media, including the Northwest Territories Help Line Facebook page, which promotes health and mental well-being as well as service options. All Health and Social Services professionals can also refer individuals to mental health supports and services. We know that we need to do more and use more different approaches. The department's Mental Wellness and Addictions Recovery Action Plan commits to engaging with residents to ask them about how they want to receive information about mental health and addictions services and supports. The engagement is ongoing, and the results will be used to inform new approaches. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

I hope that front-line staff will be part of developing that action plan. GNWT employees receive health through something called the Employee and Family Assistance Program. This program allows employees to access legal advice, financial advice, and it also allows them to access mental health support. I am wondering, given that this is something that is exclusive to GNWT employees or employers that have the funds and the means to supply their staff with this type of programming, does the Minister agree that the general public has a lower level of access to mental health supports in the Northwest Territories than GNWT employees?

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

We all agree that we need to do a better job in providing access to mental health services. It is a priority for this Assembly, and an issue that my department takes seriously, and we are currently working on.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

I am happy to hear that. Will the Minister of Health and Social Services look into broadening their mental health support network to include private counsellors to reduce wait times and increase consistency of care for Northerners suffering from mental health challenges?

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Currently, at this time, our department is not looking at including private counsellors into the service delivery model. We had looked at it, and using private counsellors would be extremely expensive; for example, two, possibly three, times the cost for employing our own counsellors. Our approach to reducing wait times is the Seamless Care Pathway, that we are making sure people are matched with the right level of service to ensure more timely access. What I am aware of, in reading my briefings and meeting with staff, is that the wait times for counselling do not exist in most communities. Wait times are mainly an issue in Yellowknife and Hay River.

Wait times are tracked in communities where they exist and follow up with people on the wait list every three weeks to ensure that they still need the counselling and that their level of risk has not changed. I do want to expand that a main part of this work is to improve access to counselling by adding same-day walk-in appointments, as well as other options, like e-mental health access. These types of efforts have been shown to have dramatic impacts on wait times in other areas of the country. This work is underway as we speak and is on track to be implemented this spring 2020.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Kam Lake.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am trying to think of how to reduce this to one question. I feel that I have acknowledged that the cost is high to work with private contractors, but when you have a high suicide rate like we do in the Northwest Territories, that cost is much higher. The risk of losing more youth to suicide in communities or in Yellowknife is, you can't put a number on that. I am thankful that the department is looking at it, but I feel that I disagree with the Minister here, that we do have wait times and having a child identify that they are suicidal and waiting three weeks to three months is not okay to receive mental healthcare. I'm wondering if the Minister will commit to working with NTHSSA to identify a responsive triage mechanism that allows us to see Northerners in a much quicker manner and would potentially review that process with collaboration from Members on this side of the House. Thank you.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Counselling requests are triaged based on risk. If a person is at a higher level of risk, for example, suicidal, they are not subject to the wait times and they are seen within a day or two. Our approach to reducing wait times in the Seamless Care Pathway, we are working to make sure that people are matched with the right level of service to ensure more timely access. The goal of this is to improve access to mental health services, but it's also focused on how we match people to their services. The Seamless Care Pathway approach is about offering the service that best meets the needs of the person. This program is overseen by the Department of Finance; oh, sorry. No. It's our department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 195-19(2): Access to Child Mental Health Supports
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Hay River South.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These questions will be for the Deputy Premier. We know that COVID-19 has been declared a pandemic. We know that it's affecting the health of the people, and we know that there is going to be a cost to our healthcare system, but there is also a cost to the economy, as well. I'm wondering if this government has considered how it can support businesses during this period. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Deputy Premier.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Okay. With my colleague's support here, yes, the Government of the Northwest Territories will be looking at some of those options. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

I didn't really want to put the Deputy Premier on the spot, there. I didn't give her these questions up front, but will the Deputy Premier relay to the rest of the Cabinet the importance of addressing any potential impact to business and determine how we can lessen any impact?

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Diane Archie Inuvik Boot Lake

The Member is asking questions about money and what the government is doing as a result of that, so I would like to just defer the question over to the Minister of Finance.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Deputy Premier. Minister of Finance.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Obviously, this is an evolving issue, but I can certainly assure this House and assure the people of the Northwest Territories that the Department of Finance has been looking both at our finances and looking at the impact on the economy here, and has been involved on national calls with the federal Minister of Finance and my colleagues across the country. It's an issue that is being looked at both here and nationally. We've been involved, and I am confident that, as the federal packages are being rolled out, they are being rolled out knowing what the potential situation and impact would be on the economy here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

The other question I have is: there are some suggestions here on how to help, and one of them is to reduce our small business tax or eliminate it. It's currently sitting at 4 percent, and we'd like to see it down to at least 1 percent or eliminated. There's one option. The other thing we should be looking at, as well, is: we do have businesses out there who do have loans from government lenders, and we could look at the interest rates. We could also look at deferring the payments during this period. The third one is: we have to make sure that any businesses are being paid in a timely manner. They can't be waiting for payments for the work they've done. I'd just like to get a commitment from whoever wants to answer it, I guess, that Cabinet will look at that.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

I think the Member is now stuck with me. Absolutely. As I said in my first response, it is an evolving situation. I think a lot of people are saying that across the territories, across the country, but it's an evolving situation about which all leaders and all politicians and all governments are being very actively engaged. There have been calls between first ministers, calls between other departmental ministers. I know I've had two separate calls with first ministers and ministers across the country, dealing with all varieties of issues, impacted industries, dealing with the health, dealing with emergency preparedness, and Cabinet is engaging every morning on this. There is not only a whole-of-government response, there is a whole-of-governments response.

I appreciate the Member's suggestions. I will certainly commit to taking those and looking at them. I know we have already, at the Department of Finance, started to look at what the impacts could be, modelling different scenarios, in order that we can be able to respond now and now respond after the fact. Yes, I give that assurance and will continue to do that work.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Final short supplementary, Member for Hay River South.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the Minister of Finance for that. I'd just like a commitment from her that she will keep this side of the House updated on the economic side of COVID-19, as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Yes. As I've said, the economic impacts of COVID-19 will be determined depending on what happens with the actual virus and as it evolves, as impacts may not be uniform across the country and they might not be uniform across the Northwest Territories. A lot of the governments across Canada right now are introducing budgets right now or are about to do so, so in some ways, it's good timing. We're at the early stage of our fiscal year; we have a lot of flexibility. We have the flexibility to respond, and we will be able to do that. We will be able to keep this House and all the Members appraised of what we are doing and how we are doing it as we become more aware of what the information is and what the impacts are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 196-19(2): COVID-19 Economic Cost and Support for Businesses
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Question 197-19(2): Business Investment Program
Oral Questions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague for Hay River seems to be getting some good answers there, and I believe the Minister of Finance has kindly agreed to take questions on behalf of ITI and Infrastructure. My question is: can we remove Wal-Mart from the Business Incentive Program?

Question 197-19(2): Business Investment Program
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister of Finance.

Question 197-19(2): Business Investment Program
Oral Questions

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Caroline Wawzonek Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Business Incentive Program is, I expect, going to be part of much larger reviews that are taking place between multiple departments being involved in terms of doing that. I'll take the Member's question forward to the relevant lead on those reviews. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 197-19(2): Business Investment Program
Oral Questions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Minister. The time for oral questions has expired. Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to Commissioner's address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, reports of standing and special committees. Item 14, tabling of documents. Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes.

Tabled Document 60-19(2): Our Climate Our Arctic - Beaufort Delta Declaration, March 8, 2020
Tabling Of Documents

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Lesa Semmler Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table "Our Climate Our Arctic - Beaufort Delta Declaration, March 8, 2020." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 60-19(2): Our Climate Our Arctic - Beaufort Delta Declaration, March 8, 2020
Tabling Of Documents

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes. Tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Member for Yellowknife North.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020
Notices Of Motion

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Monday, March 16, 2020, I will move the following motion: I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River North, that, notwithstanding Rule 4, when this House adjourns on Friday, March 13, 2020, it shall be adjourned until Tuesday, March 24, 2020; and further, at any time prior to March 24, 2020, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, or at a time later than the scheduled resumption of the House, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time. Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be seeking unanimous consent to deal with this motion today.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020
Notices Of Motion

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Notices of Motion. Item 16, motions. Member for Yellowknife North.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020, CARRIED
Motions

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to deal with the motion I gave notice of earlier today.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020, CARRIED
Motions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. The Member is seeking unanimous consent to deal with the motion with us today. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your motion.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020, CARRIED
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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River North, that, notwithstanding Rule 4, when this House adjourns on March 13, 2020, it shall be adjourned until Tuesday, March 24, 2020;

AND FURTHER, that, at any time prior to March 24, 2020, if the Speaker is satisfied, after consultation with the Executive Council and Members of the Legislative Assembly, that the public interest requires that the House should meet at an earlier time during the adjournment, or at a time later than the scheduled resumption of the House, the Speaker may give notice and thereupon the House shall meet at the time stated in such notice and shall transact its business as it has been duly adjourned to that time.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Motion 6-19(2): Extended Adjournment of the House to March 24, 2020, CARRIED
Motions

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. The motion is in order and is non-debatable. All those in favour? All those opposed? Any abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Item 17, notices of motion for the first reading of bills. Item 18, first reading of bills. Government House Leader.

Bill 3-19(2): An Act to Amend the Public Highways Act
First Reading Of Bills

March 12th, 2020

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R.J. Simpson Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake, that Bill 3, An Act to Amend the Public Highways Act be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Bill 3-19(2): An Act to Amend the Public Highways Act
First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Thank you, Government House Leader. The motion is in order. To the motion.

Bill 3-19(2): An Act to Amend the Public Highways Act
First Reading Of Bills

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

Bill 3-19(2): An Act to Amend the Public Highways Act
First Reading Of Bills

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The Speaker (Hon. Frederick Blake Jr) Frederick Blake Jr.

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed?

---Carried

Bill 1 has had first reading. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration of Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 30-19(2), Main Estimates 2020-2021; Tabled Document 43-19(2), Supplementary Estimates (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2020-2021.

By the authority given to me as Speaker by Motion 1-19(2), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hour of adjournment to consider the business before the House, with the Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes in the chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

I call the Committee of the Whole to order. What is the wish of committee? Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. Committee wishes to consider Tabled Document 30-19(2), 2020-2021 Main Estimates, to include the NWT housing portion, and to address the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. We will take a short recess.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

I will call the committee back to order. We have agreed to consider Tabled Document 30-19(2), Main Estimates 2020-2021, and we are continuing on with the NWT Housing Corporation from yesterday. I will ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to escort the witnesses back into the Chamber. Minister, if you could introduce your witnesses for the record.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. To the right of me, I have Mr. Carpenter, and to the left, I have Mr. Martin.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. We will start where we left off. We are going over programs and district operations, beginning on page 372 with information items on pages 374 to 376. Questions? Are there any questions for the program and district operations? Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. With respect to the South Slave district, how many technical advisors do we have there? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South. Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have one in Fort Smith and two in Hay River.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Is there any consideration to add any positions in Hay River? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would have to do an assessment of the volume of work that is done in that district, and I would have to verify if there is a need for another position. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

That's all, thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Mine is along the same sort of lines. Can someone tell me where all the technical advisors are located and whether there have been any changes in positions proposed in this year that's coming up? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Currently, we do have technical advisors in each of the regional offices, and going forward, looking at the changes that we may have, I'd have to look at the employment numbers that I have. I want to make sure that they're all staffed, but we normally would have two in each district. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Have there been any changes proposed? I'm looking at the active positions on page 375. It doesn't look like there are any changes in staff from last year to the proposed year. Are there any changes in technical advisor positions? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Member is right; there are no changes in the number of technical advisors that we do have, but going forward and looking at the amount of infrastructure that we might be working with and looking at the renovation of the homes that we do have, the public housing units, I will be looking at that and reviewing to see if there is a need for additional employees required. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think page 374 outlines contributions in a number of areas. Is this money, then, that flows from the Housing Corporation to the local housing organizations, the LHOs? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to be correct. The Member mentioned local housing authorities or the district offices? Can he please clarify? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can the Minister tell me: where does this money flow through to? Because it's listed here as contributions. Is this to third parties? Is it to the district offices? Is it to the LHOs, the local housing authorities? Where does the money flow to? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Member. I just needed to understand that question. The money flows through the district offices. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. If it flows to the district offices, is it coming from the Housing Corporation, and then it's given to the district offices? It just seems like kind of a weird way to set this up. Usually, the contribution pages in the other departmental budgets are where our government is providing money to a third party, but this is to the district offices. Is that correct? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that is correct. We also provide funding, too, to the local housing authorities. The Housing Corporation is, I want to say, a unique set-up. We do have the local housing authorities, we do have the boards, we do have the district offices, and we also have headquarters and the office of the executive. The money that is flowed through is for the district operations. I really want to be clear that we have the district operations, and we also have the administration of the public housing units. I hope that clarifies; I hope the answer was fine. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think I'm just getting more and more confused. On 373, I see allocations to a number of district offices, and then there is sort of a programs development and implementation, then a vice-president's office. Why is this listed as contributions on this page? Does any of this money actually flow through to third parties, like entities outside of the Housing Corporation? Thanks, Madam Chair. Sorry. Habitat for Humanity is obviously a third-party organization. Does any of this other money flow through to third-party organizations, or is it all administered by the district offices? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I know it might seem kind of confusing to understand. The way that I understand it and the way that I work with the budget that we have is that we have a lot of housing programs that are very unique. We have housing support initiatives that do include the third parties, as well, that we're looking at, at the community level, where the community and bands, charter communities, Indigenous groups, or stakeholders are wanting to go forward and deliver programs. For an example, I just want to say very quickly, if we needed stairs and ramps and doors replaced, I'm looking at a third-party opportunities; I would look at the bands and the stakeholders in the smaller areas, that we would work in conjunction and provide funding at a proposal setting. At a proposal setting, if the project costs $50,000, I would like to work with that third party where they would program-deliver within that community. I will have Jim elaborate on this a little bit more, for more clarification. Thank you, Madam Chair. Sorry, Mr. Martin.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. The way that the budget is structured under the program and district operations activity here is that the programs that are being administered by the district offices are classified according to how the budgets are allocated to the districts. Within the districts, we would have the grants and contributions budget being administered. We would have the contracts services budget, as well, and the other components, as well, being allocated out at the start of the year to each of the district offices. They would, then, administer those various budgets, and as I said, within those budgets is the grants and contributions allocations. They work with third parties, clients, organizations, to administer those programs. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Martin. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. As I said, I just keep getting more and more confused here. All of this money on page 374 flows through from the district offices to third parties? Is that what I believe Mr. Martin said? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

How can I explain this? As the Housing Corporation, we have funding that is available. We have the district offices. According to programs that we deliver, each district office would be delivering programs that are identified. We would flow through the money from headquarters into each of the districts equally, depending on the amount of programs and services that they would require and need. Then, they would deliver those programs on behalf of us at the executive level. I am going to have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on that a little bit more. I hope that makes sense, but if it doesn't, please keep on asking those questions so I could make sure I get through to Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. All of those program items listed under contributions, those are funding that, as the Minister indicated, goes directly to the district office who delivers those programs. The one that kind of sticks out a bit is Habitat for Humanity. That's a budget we have set aside because they have expressed interest in doing one or two programs in the territory. We have that budget set up. We are hoping to do that. Once we get an indication of which communities those projects will take place, we will funnel that particular budget down to those district offices to work with Habitat for Humanity. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think that I am going to have to go offline, because I still don't understand the way that this is set out or accounted for. These are programs that are administered through the Housing Corporation. It looks like money flows through the district offices, but it doesn't quite add up with money on the previous page. Maybe it's too late in the day or something; I just don't understand this. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I really want to make sure that I answered this question correctly. Is the Member looking at the grants and contributions for each of the district offices that he says does not add up to the number on page 374?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Member for Frame Lake, did you just want to clarify?

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I think I have spent the last seven or eight minutes trying to understand what the relationship is of the contributions listed on page 374 to the line items on 373, and I haven't gotten to the bottom of it in a way that I can understand. Probably, with the Minister and her assistants there, I am not going to get to the bottom of it in the next 24 hours. I am going to have to go offline and ask them to better explain this. Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

All right. We will move on, then. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. I am looking at page 374, as well. I just want to make a quick comment on this. This is one of those items that I get a lot of complaints about from people in my constituency, especially when accessing things like the SAFE program and CARE. It's just frustrating, because a lot of the time, there are barriers for things like land tenure and whatnot, but I'll start with my questioning now. I know that, for programs such as SAFE and seniors aging in place retrofits and repairs, they're $10,000 each. To me, sometimes, that's just not enough for a lot of repairs that happen. Anything that happens is really expensive in the home for a lot of our units. I'm going to ask the Minister: have there been any recent reviews of these programs to increase this amount to help those who have barriers to getting these programs? Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am familiar with the question that the Member is asking about, and I do understand that land tenure and insurances do cause barriers for our program delivery. Going forward, I am going to be doing a review of the current programs that we do deliver. I do realize that the cost of material and the cost to get these improvements complete and done in a timely manner and to be acknowledged in the applications for rejection or approval, but I would like to see the majority of them approved going forward. I will just have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on this a little bit more. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. When we set up our emergency repair program in there, under securing assistance for emergencies, we set that limit for true emergencies, such as, a common one is when people don't have heat. In terms of looking at the amount of money available for homes that need larger amounts of monies for repair, the Minister has directed us to look at that. Where you'll see, probably, positive change for the programming is under our major repair programming, and that's the Contributing Assistance for Repairs and Enhancements, CARE. We are working as hard as we can to make that change, and we wanted to let the Members know today that we anticipate positive change coming soon in that area. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi, Madam Chair, and thank you for the response. I am looking at this a little more, too. I'm reading between the lines here. I just mentioned about barriers such as insurance and land tenure, and I looked at the fuel tank. I know, coming from the insurance background, a lot of risks, when they are assessed by a lot of these insurance companies, if you live in a place like Hay River, Fort Smith, or Yellowknife, the insurance rates are reasonable, and they're really dependent on how close you are to, say, a fire department. If you live in a place like Lutselk'e, or even Detah is considered outside of that range, insurance rates skyrocket, and it's just simply not affordable if you want to, say, protect your assets, if you own your own home.

Say we go down this road, and yes, we'll have own ownership programs, and, yes, I've finally got my home, but you have to worry about insurance in small communities. It's stifling, because the cost of living is so high already, and you're going to ask somebody to pay $3,000 to just insure the home for a year? It's a really, really tall ask already. A lot of us even living in larger centres, like here in Yellowknife, that is still a really expensive proposition. You still have to budget for that. I guess my question to the Minister, and this may be a question that I think some other Ministers might look at, maybe the Minister of Finance, is: what are we going to do about this insurance problem in the small communities? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am familiar with this, as well, because it's come up quite often in looking at the insurances within the smaller communities. I do understand. Land tenure is also an issue, as well, because you need the land in order to insure your home. I see the barriers like that. Right now, the Housing Corporation is in conversation with CIBC. The conversation is not anything that is going to be committed, but it's a conversation that is happening. Also, looking at the insurances is that what can we provide that's affordable and available to the people of the Northwest Territories. Looking at the insurances, I am very interested in securing our Northwest Territories Housing Corporation units. If it is our personal units going forward, I'm interested in making sure that we have security on them. Whether we have engaged a mortgage with a client to making sure that if the house were to burn down or something were to happen, if this were to happen five times throughout the territory, we don't have $500,000, $800,000 times ten to be rebuilding these structures. We're just trying to look for initiatives going forward that would best secure the people of the Northwest Territories that have the programming with the Housing Corporation or public housing as well. I hope that answers your question. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for the response. Just listening to that, I think there's a big, broader issue of insurance in the North. I think that's probably something I'll ask in the House here later on because I think this is something we need to talk about and figure out some common sense approaches to this. Again, this goes to the cost of living in the North. It's so huge, and we're going to need to find appropriate ways to help people in the North to protect their assets, especially in small communities. Marsi cho. I have nothing further.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Did you have a response to that? Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regards to the home insurance, I just really want to be clear, as well, that through the Housing Corporation, we have a variety of programs, but the areas where I'm interested in, in insuring, is home ownership. I'm not interested in insuring the units that we're building stairs and we're building ramps. I'm not interested in doing that. I'm interested in the long-term security for the client if they do become homeowners. I want to make sure that they are secured and they do have the financial security going forward should anything happen to their own personal unit. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I'll move onto Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. One of the, I'm going to just say, frankly, struggles that I've had with the Housing Corporation is to feel that the corporation has embraced its role as a social housing agency versus a landlord of social housing. There was a very promising initiative that was discussed at an anti-poverty round table about 18 months ago in which the Housing Corporation was piloting a housing stability program for its public housing tenants in Behchoko. This was the kind of program that was offered when I worked at the YWCA. The intention of the program was to do troubleshooting with tenants so they could stabilize their housing and develop good tenancy records so that they could obtain housing on the market if they had the money to do so. I think that was a pilot program, and I'm interested to know whether the pilot has been evaluated and what the results of that evaluation are? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Member, for your comment. I am familiar with this program, as well. It is due to expire. We did end up creating a new position. It was a housing stability worker that was working out of Yellowknife but back and forth to Behchoko. It was the first of our pilots, and it did work very well. It's something that I'm interested in working with and expanding, going forward, throughout the Northwest Territories because the issues are quite common throughout the territory dealing with homelessness and having people transition from public housing into the housing units, and the social impacts as well, too. Unfortunately, the position is to expire March 31st, but I'm looking at that position to continue. I will have, Mr. Carpenter elaborate on the program, as well. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. As the Minister indicated, we're just in the process of that position's about to expire, and then we're going to do our assessment as to its effectiveness. Just to elaborate on what that position was created to do is: we wanted to do a pilot project in a community where there were tenants facing homelessness or evictions. It's really more of this individual works with those tenants as a navigator, not only for what we can do in terms of housing, but other government departments that can provide wraparound services to keep these people housed. That's what we were doing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. This is a real good-news/bad-news story. The program worked, but it's going to expire. Why wasn't this position evaluated in advance of the expiry date? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Being the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation, I'm looking for very strong initiatives and a very strong, positive approach. This was one of our successful positions that we've had dealing with the current situation we have throughout the Northwest Territories. I am invested into this position and positions likes this. Going forward, we do have an expiry date of March 31st, but it will be continuing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to the Minister for that. Does that mean that the person who occupies this position will still be employed by April 1st? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The person that was employed and working within this position, very strong skilled and very experienced with the Housing Corporation, I did have other plans for her, so we might be working with this a little bit differently. She does have a lot of skill that I would like to use in another area, so there might be a new person to fill this position. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't understand the point of blowing up a program that is working. It seems to me that given the fact that this program was in place for at least a couple of years, and the end date was a known end date, that the assessment of the program and the budgeting for a continuation since it proved successful, could have been done. The Minister is a new minister, but I don't know why the Housing Corporation didn't plan for success instead of waiting for this whole thing to lapse. Could someone explain that to me? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I looked at this position, and it's very successful. Unfortunately, I don't know why the position wasn't assessed prior to the expiration date of the end of the two-year pilot project. I will have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on that. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. This was a brand new initiative that we embarked on. We never did anything like this before, so we ran it as a pilot. Right from the start, we wanted to run it as a pilot to see how it worked out. As the Minister indicated, we're getting lots of positive results in terms of there has been diminished evictions in the community. This is something that we funded with our own resources. We don't have an official position for that, so that's what we have to work towards to establish the funding to continue with this program. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Again, I'm going to be very blunt. This is very poor practice. The Integrated Case Management program in the Department of Justice was a pilot program, and it was evaluated before its expiration date. Then the case was made for continued funding for the Integrated Case Management plan. That's what good planning looks like. The idea that this program has to lapse -- there aren't funds in it in this budget, so likely it won't be until the next budget that we see the funds for this. In the meantime, this person was effective. The program was effective. The program could be scaled up to communities and other parts of the NWT. I hear my colleagues talking about housing tenancy issues all the time, to do with arrears, damage, and other issues of that kind. My final question here will be: when do you anticipate coming to us to ask for money to continue this position and expand this program? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Member, for your comments. I do see the importance of this position. Once I heard about this position and I got to meet them and see what this position entailed and the success that had been brought forward in Behchoko and looking at the success that it's had, I wanted to look at this, as well, and see what it would look like if we expanded this out into the smaller communities and the effects that it would have. Going forward, this position, with the budget and where we're at right now, I would like to come forward in June and to look at this position. I want to add a little more to it, as well, and looking at the areas, as well. I'm really mindful of Nunakput and the Mackenzie Delta and the Beaufort-Delta, as well, that we do have significant situation up there. I want to be very creative with this position and look at the success and look long-term at this in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. We will move on to Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. My first question is in regard to the district operation budget reflected on page 373. I've noticed that the North Slave, South Slave, Nahendeh districts all have increased budgets, whereas the Beaufort-Delta district has actually a decreased budget. Is that reflective of the need of each region? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. This would have to do with the amortization within this budget. I'm going to have Mr. Martin elaborate on that and answer the question. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Martin.

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Martin

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. As the Minister alluded to, the Housing Corporation this past couple of years, but this past year reflected in this budget, went through a review of our amortization of all of our assets. We worked with the Office of the Auditor General in updating our schedules and, through those reviews, we made some adjustments in terms of how we amortize our assets. As a result of those changes, we actually slowed the amortization annual adjustment down, so as a result of that, the Beaufort-Delta having 35 percent of our assets, that adjustment was most reflective in that district. It resulted in a decrease in 2021 overall spending, budget spending plan for 2020-2021. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Martin. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much. I'm wondering, if the amortization had impacted our budget by decreasing the Beaufort-Delta, why did it drive up the budget values for the other three regions, where the Sahtu basically stayed pretty consistent? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will just pass the question on over to Mr. Carpenter. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to not get too caught up in the amortization. To be honest, I don't like that financial term in terms of how it affects this. It's really just an accounting adjustment, at the end of the day. The key point that I want to make on this section is that you see all the other districts increase, and that's because there is a small piece for forced growth. What we did is: we got a little bit of money from Canada through our bilateral. We jumped up all the districts in the budgets, and we put a little bit more money into some initiatives you've seen on the other page, like the emergency repairs, and things like that. All the districts got an increase for this year, but we had that one accounting adjustment that Jim was explaining, that shows it like that. Even though they got budget increases, they didn't lose money. It was just an accounting adjustment that showed there like a loss. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. The money that the Housing Corporation received from the federal government, how was it distributed throughout the regions? Was it distributed per capita or by population? Was it distributed by need? Was it distributed evenly throughout each region? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The money is distributed evenly. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Is that evenly by population? Evenly just straight up divided between each region regardless of population? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The money is divided equally throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm wondering if the Minister can define "evenly." Is it divided evenly based on the five regions, or is it divided evenly based on need? Is it divided evenly based on population? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The money is divided equally by dollar. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. No, I was just wondering if it was divided using the number of people in the region or the amount of need in the region, or if it was divided just saying we have five regions and we're going to take this dollar figure and evenly divide it by these five regions, just based on the dollar amount. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that's correct.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Can you elaborate?

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Okay. You know, we receive the federal money. We receive the budget. We have five regions. The money is divided equally among those regions by dollar. Does that answering your question?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much. I'll take that that it's divided equally by region, so thank you. My next question is in regard to the programs, development and implementation line. That has gone up substantially, and I'm wondering if the Minister can speak to what Northerners will get for that increase in that dollar line. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on it. I just can't locate this right away, quickly.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. If you look on page 374, we have the community housing support initiative. In prior budgets, we used to send that out to each district office, but most of the proponents are coming through us in Yellowknife. We just moved the budget out of that program, development and implementation section for coordination. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Can the vice-president please expand on the community housing support initiative, then, please? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to give a bit of history, over the years, we've been receiving a lot of interest from community groups to pretty much say, "Give us the money, and we'll do our own housing projects better than you can." What we did is: about a year or two ago, we developed this initiative and put some money into it, where it's a very simple policy that, if you have a project that you want to do on your own that benefits community housing, we want to participate in it. The criteria is that any project that benefits housing, whether it's homelessness, there is a community that went around and built ramps, there are communities that got units from us. The only prerequisite is that they have to have some sort of participation in it, in terms of a contribution or a labour component. We're very excited about this program. We've had a lot of exciting projects has been happening with it. We did homeownership projects in some places, as I've said, and we have a lot of interest, again, this year for this project. This is one of those projects that touches on every point of the mandate. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I was just looking at the activity description on page 372 that says that the program, development and implementation ensures compliance with existing program policies and procedures and also supplies training and capacity required to effectively and efficiently deliver the programs and services. Does the cost of building the ramps and the cost of hiring people to do those types of home accessibility or home renovation projects all come out of this dollar figure here? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to give an example that we have had this initiative successful, in Fort Good Hope, where we have had the K'asho Got'ine approach the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, and they wanted to start to renovate their own homes. The Housing Corporation went in with them. They submitted a proposal. We have honoured that proposal. We have the agreement, and so the K'asho Got'ine go and they renovate on their own. It's not an application; it's a community initiative that the Housing Corporation is kind of involved with by grant. They supplied the money for the project. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I will move on to Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. On page 374, securing assistance for emergencies, you have $1.5 million. Could you explain that program, please?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. This program would be for immediate assistance that would be required for, I want to say, home renovation. Not home renovation, but home repair that would be an emergency, that would need to be addressed right away. Right away, at the top of my head, would be is if you had a freeze-up, water and sewer had frozen up; this is the funding that you would be accessing. I will have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on that a little bit more. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. This is the Housing Corporation's flagship emergency repair program. It has as minimal criteria as we can. We set it up for $10,000 per year. It's one of our heavily subscribed programs. People like it. It addresses things like freeze-ups; furnace issues, commonly; and a lot of seniors use that program. Even though we set up a budget there of $1.56 million, typically, in a winter, we will usually exceed that budget, and we find money within to do that. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. When a natural disaster happens, where do the funds come from for that? Like, for a natural disaster within a community, I would like to know: where would the funds come for that?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to be very clear on this that the Housing Corporation administers their units and their houses and their infrastructure that they own. If one of our units had experienced one of these natural disaster situations within our own stock, this is the funding that we would use to repair those damages. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Madam Chair, I am not really clear on the answer. When a natural disaster happens, where a place is actually destroyed, and it involves a senior, and the senior has to go into other housing, which happened, do they still have to go through a means test?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister. Sorry, Member for Thebacha. You're going to have to repeat that last part because of the mic.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Madam Chair, I am asking, when a natural disaster happens, and the house is completely destroyed, because we did have a tornado in Fort Smith, and if we have a senior who is involved and has ownership of that house, and it's completely destroyed, if they are moved into a smaller unit, do they still have to have that means test and pay the full amount?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am familiar with this situation that the Member is speaking about. The natural disasters that this emergency money would be securing, I really want to emphasize, would be the infrastructure that the Housing Corporation does secure and that we do own. I would have to review this again, because we did provide the client with a public housing unit immediately. For us to rebuild a unit for the individual, it wasn't a part of our stock and it wasn't a part of our inventory, so this would be a very different scenario to be working towards. The disaster funding that is there is used tremendously with the water freeze-ups that we do have and sewage freeze-ups, as well, and the furnaces. It's strongly used in that category, but looking at the natural disasters, I would have to look at that further for a privately-owned home. I am not too sure. I would have to get back to the Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. To the Member, just make sure when you are talking, when we get too specific, the privacy of our residents may be compromised. Thank you. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

I never named any names. I am just trying to see if they have to have a means test when they go into another unit when a natural disaster happens. That's all I want is clarification.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would have to get back to the Member, because I am not familiar with the means test. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Madam Chair, I have been back and forth with this whole natural disaster issue since I first got elected, and I still do not have an answer. I am just wondering which line that would come under in the housing budget. That's all; I want clarification.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The Housing Corporation administers our public housing units and our interests that we do have on the ground. We don't have anything that's for personal home units in regard to a natural disaster. You can apply, going forward, but I will just have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on this a little bit more. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. If there was a situation where an individual hypothetically lost their home to a natural disaster and they wanted to get into a homeownership program with the Housing Corporation, the line item that would probably fit in this situation would be providing assistance for territorial homeownership. That's a down payment program that we offer for clients to get bank financing and a down payment from us to purchase or build a new home. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Member for Thebacha.

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Frieda Martselos Thebacha

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to reiterate my question. They're not asking for an extra home or anything. All I want to know is: where does it come under? Two things. One is: do they have to have a means test when they move into another unit during the time of what their future is going to be? They've been through a lot of trauma, this family; and the other one is: as far as I know, they're not asking for another home. It was a natural disaster that happened. It was a tornado, where it destroyed their whole home, and I just want clarification.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. I'm going to give that to the Minister, but if we don't resolve this question, I would suggest that the Minister and the Member for Thebacha try to resolve this. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll have Mr. Carpenter elaborate on the response. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Mr. Carpenter.

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Carpenter

Thank you, Madam Chair. The simple answer is yes. All the programs that we deliver are means tested because our programs are targeted toward individuals who don't have sufficient income to address their housing issues on their own. Yes, there is an eligibility requirement, whether it's for homeownership programming or our rental portfolio. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Are there any further questions under programs and district operations? Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regard to securing assistance for emergencies under the SAFE program. Is it only for NWT Housing Corporation houses that are under their scope? Is that correct? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to clarify that it is for public housing units. I just want to be very careful; I want to say for private homes. I just want to clarify that and get back to the Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. In regard to that, okay, housing sold units in Tuktoyaktuk. We're having a coastal erosion program now, not SAFE whatsoever. We have funding that is moving houses right now; supposedly, that's going to go through in the next month. For securing assistance for emergency, SAFE, and the seniors aging in place retrofits and repairs, the people who are being moved in my home community from the shoreline, are they eligible for those two programs, for the $1.56 million and the $800,000, once the houses are moved? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to clarify. Yes, this program is available to private homeowners, and we would have to look at the applications submitted and the amount of assistance that is required. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regard to what I brought up, we have three houses. Two were built in the 1990s; one was built in the 2000s. There's a fourth house, but we can't touch that house because it was built by a person's father and they can't move it. That being said, houses that we've been selling to the people, those three houses that we sold to them, that they're paying property tax on that's going to come up in the next one, for MACA, paying property tax, but it's all ocean-front now, 22 inches away. Now, that being said, once these houses are moved through federal dollars, through the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk, I could come back and tell my constituents that they are eligible for the SAFE housing and the aging in place for seniors? Is that correct? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, the Member is correct. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you. That's all for now, thanks.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

All right. Are there any further questions under programs and district operations? Seeing no further questions, please turn to page 373. Oh, you have questions? Okay. Member for Monfwi.

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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Madam Chair, just on the SAFE program, the CARE program, seniors aging in place retrofit and repairs, we've identified the 2020 main estimates. I'm just curious, the program itself, is it all income-tested, household income? The reason I'm asking is there were questions on that with ECE, I believe. There is a seniors fuel subsidy, and we only income-test the heads of households; not family members living with them, but just the two heads of households. Have we considered that for these programs? I know there are some people living in the community who don't qualify because their household income is higher or even lower, so I'm just curious, Madam Chair, if that can be clarified.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is income-tested by household income, but going forward, I am open to be looking at these applications. Should any of the Members have difficulty accessing the programs that the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has to offer, I am open to be looking at them. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Monfwi.

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Jackson Lafferty Monfwi

Masi, Madam Chair. I highly urge this Minister to seriously consider possibly making -- because it is a policy change, similar to what we've done with ECE in the past, and it worked really well for seniors and elders in the community. Housing is a big challenge in the community, people accessing it, and there are so many complaints and issues. I think, once the Minister looks into this and makes some minor changes with regard to household income versus the head of household income, I think that will make a huge difference. I am seriously hoping that the Minister will consider that as we move forward with this particular program, policy-driven. Masi.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Member, for your comment. That's correct, I will be looking at the policies going forward and looking at changes that would meet the needs of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Are there any further questions on the programs and district operations? Seeing no further questions, please turn to page 373. NWT Housing Corporation, programs and district operations, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $34,021,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. Now, we can turn to departmental summary, found on page 359. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. I move that this committee defer further consideration of the estimates for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation at this time.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

The motion is on the floor and is being distributed. Sergeant-at-Arms, you can escort the witnesses out. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Some Hon. Members

Question.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Question has been called. All those in favour. All those opposed? Abstentions? The motion is carried.

---Carried

We will now take a five-minute break so that we can switch over to MACA. All right. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Committee, we will call committee back to order. Committee, we have agreed to consider Tabled Document 30-19(2), Main Estimates 2020-2021 under the activity Municipal and Community Affairs. Does the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs have any opening remarks? Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you. I am here to present the 2020-2021 Main Estimates for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. Overall, the department's main estimates propose an increase of $6,074,000 or 5.5 percent over the 2019-2020 Main Estimates. These estimates support the fiscal objectives and priorities and responsibilities and strategic spending while matching the modest expected revenue growth over the coming year. Highlights of these proposed estimates include:

  • an increase of $5,186,000 to provide funding to tax-based communities in accordance with the grant-in-lieu policy;
  • an increase of $960,000 to reflect the impact of costs associated with implementation of the 2016-2017 to 2020-2021 collective agreement with the Union of Northern Workers; and
  • an increase of $158,000 to provide relief from property tax to seniors and people with disabilities.

These estimates support the priorities of the 19th Legislative Assembly. Specifically, the department will advance the following actions:

  • Provide resources and support to community governments. The department will continue to support community governments with community planning; legislation and policy; financial agreements; infrastructure management; and climate change and disaster mitigation funding.
  • Support the development of an implementation plan for municipal Access to Information and Protection of Privacy. The department remains committed to working with the Department of Justice, community governments, and stakeholders to identify a responsibility and achievable approach for the implementation of Bill 29: An Act to Amend the Access to Information and Privacy of Protection Act with respect to bringing community governments under this legislation in a phased-in approach.

That concludes my opening remarks. I look forward to the detailed discussion with Members. Thank you, Minister.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Do you wish to bring witnesses into the House?

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Yes.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Sergeant-at-Arms, would you please escort the witnesses in. Minister Chinna, would you please introduce your witnesses?

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I have with me Ms. Young and Mr. Schauerte. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister Chinna. I would also like to say happy birthday to Ms. Young. I will now open the floor to general comments on Municipal and Community Affairs. If there are no further comments, does committee agree to proceed to the detail contained in the tabled document?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Committee, we will defer the departmental summary and review the estimates by activity summary, beginning with community governance, starting on page 320 with information items to 323. Questions? Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I see that this is the area regarding responsible assessment. I recognize we provide some funding to the City of Yellowknife to do their assessments, and we have recently had this issue with the Yellowknife hospital. There have been a lot of different interpretations of exactly how that money got missed. Could I just have the Minister explain what exactly occurred there and how we are going to ensure that we budget for assessments going forward?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. When this project did roll out, there was a timeline that the numbers weren't ready, and they weren't forecasted at that time for the grant-in-lieu. I will have Ms. Eleanor Young elaborate on the response. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. With assessments, in this part of the budget area, we have a number of assessment staff who conduct most of the assessments in the territory. As noted in this area, we do have $125,000 that we provide to the city to hire their own assessment contractors or staff, but we still have, through the Property Assessment and Taxation Act, oversight on their assessment role. Then that information is used for the calculation of grant-in-lieu for the properties that are GNWT properties within the community. We are in the process of putting to paper all of the processes used, with the checks and balances, and we will be able to bring that back for a briefing to committee in the future, since we have that together. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I look forward to receiving that information in committee. No further questions.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Any further questions under community governance? Seeing no further questions, we will move on to page 321. Municipal and Community Affairs, community governance, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $2,118,000. Does committee agree?

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Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. We will turn to community operations, beginning on page 324 with information items up to 327. Questions? Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. I think that this is the right area for talking about the municipal funding gap. Can I just confirm that?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister of MACA.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. That would be regional operations. This is community operations. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Yes, thank you. I will save that question for that area. In this area, I would like to talk about the follow-up to the OAG report that happened in 2017, I think it was. Can the Minister tell us whether all the commitments that the department made in response to the OAG report have been fulfilled? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We have received the report. We will be working towards the initiatives going forward. I will just have Mr. Schauerte elaborate on the response. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schauerte.

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Schauerte

Thank you, Madam Chair. The department has completed two activity reports related to the action plan that the department had published in response to the OAG audit. We are pleased to report that we think that we are in the area of about 80 to 90 percent of the recommendations have been addressed. We would be in a position to provide a further update on that, in addition to the two that we have already provided and tabled in the House. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that response. Could you tell us which items are not yet complete and when the next update will be ready for us to look at? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will have Mr. Schauerte elaborate on the report. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schauerte.

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Schauerte

Thank you, Madam Chair. The department made significant progress in the area of public safety, which was one of the focuses of the audit. In that area, we advanced a number of priorities around emergency management with community governance, which is timely, given what our territory is facing today. We also made a significant improvement with fire protection services in terms of addressing assessments of fire departments, developing action plans, working with community governments around priorities that were identified through the assessments, things like training and standard operating procedures, and making sure that communities were acquiring the right kind of equipment and those kinds of things. Certainly, in the area of emergency management, there was significant movement forward.

One of the areas where we think we need to continue to do some work is around the area of accountability framework. As we have positioned the accountability framework, this is a living, breathing document and tool that we use to work with community governments to assess performance and work with community governments on business planning to help address some of the things that would come out of the accountability framework. As part of our work, we had intended to move into some areas around amendments of contribution agreements and those kinds of things to be a little more definitive, I think, with community governments in terms of what may happen when things go sideways. We still have to do some of that work in terms of modifying those kinds of things with community governments, and that work will continue into the next funding cycle and beyond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to Mr. Schauerte for that information. What is the timing that the department is looking at now to complete the recommendations of the OAG report? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We would be bringing that report back by the fall. I would say September; I'll give it a definite month. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Nothing further. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Are there any further questions under community operations? Seeing no further questions, please turn to page 325. Municipal and Community Affairs, community operations, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $2,277,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. We will now turn to page 328, directorate, beginning on 328 with information up to 331. Questions? Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can the Minister tell me when the Consumer Protection Act was last reviewed? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't have a significant date right now. I will have to get back to the Member. For the Consumer Protection Act, just to clarify with the Member? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Yes, it is the Consumer Protection Act that I was asking about. Is it on the legislative initiatives priority list for this department? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. My apologies. That hasn't been identified. We are looking at the Fire Prevention Act and the seniors and disability taxation and property assessment act. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. I made probably about three or four statements in the last Assembly about this legislation. It's not very strong. I don't think it really reflects best practice or is comparable to what other Canadian jurisdictions do. There was an instance of someone selling fish from Kazakhstan as locally produced fish. I think there have been some issues around aurora tourism here; that might be more of an issue for ITI. We need to protect the value of our products, and if we don't have stronger consumer protection legislation, I'm worried about that. If this is not on their list right now, how is the Minister going to look into this issue about whether it can or should be reviewed? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to make a review of this act in our term, and I would like to look at areas that we would have to enhance and we would have to change in order to fit the needs of the Northwest Territories. Going forward, I would like to review what has been done so far and the concerns that were brought forward. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Can the Minister make a commitment to come back to the standing committee within six months with a report with her findings on that? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I will commit to reviewing the situations and looking at the Consumer Protection Act and providing the information that I found to standing committee. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. All right. We'll move on to Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I struggle with this because I see the 13 positions in the directorate, and there are only a few in policy and planning. I recognize how hard those people work, but MACA has a legislative backlog that really needs to get done. I've mentioned multiple times the hope of a building standards act, the hope of a Consumer Protection Act, a city charter. I know we're finally getting to the Fire Prevention Act, which is going to be a lot of work. We're also getting the Property Assessment and Taxation Act, which I'm very excited about. I've asked the Minister to look into permanent residents voting, the possibility of online voting. I have recommendations for the Cities, Towns and Villages Act. I know we're not going to see all those pieces of legislation in the next four years, and that's a wish list I have for MACA's legislation. My question for the Minister is: considering the demand for MACA to update a number of legislative initiatives, are there plans to expand some of the policy people or plans to come back with a supplemental to at least make sure we get the Property Assessment and Taxation Act and a couple of these projects done in the next four years?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will take into consideration the list that the Member has provided, and I would like to educate myself a little further on what has been done and the improvements that need to be made. I do understand and I do see that the legislation that we do have, going forward, and the acts, that they are outdated. I would like to take a look at them and review them, as well. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess I'll be a little more blunt here. I really don't think that MACA currently is being funded properly to get all of its legislation in line, and I would really encourage the Minister to champion this. Let's make MACA one of the most productive legislative departments there is. To do that, you're going to have to fight at the financial management board and fight in this House to bring forward and get the policy work and really push to get this legislative agenda moving. I think everyone who works at MACA knows that there have been requests to get the Property Assessment and Taxation Act going for years and years, so I guess I would just like to hear the Minister, whether she is willing to make that fight. Let's get some more Municipal and Community Affairs legislation done in the next four years.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I know that changing legislation, reviewing legislation requires a lot of manpower, a lot of consultation, involving the stakeholders that these would involve, and that they would be of effect. Going forward, I would have to look at it strategically because it is a lot of work and looking at engaging with our stakeholders, as well, throughout the territory and the effects and the changes that we are looking to update. Going forward, I would like to say that I would like to review what has been done and look at the acts that we currently have within my department. We have already identified four of them, four of them all together. It seems like it's a little at a time, but we're making progress. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Are there any further questions under the directorate? Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. With respect to the Office of the Fire Marshal, how many staff is there that actually does plan review? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Would that be under public safety? That's the next section. You're ahead of us. Did you have questions under the directorate? Yes? No? Okay. Are there any further questions under the directorate? If there are no further questions under the directorate, turn to page 329, Municipal and Community Affairs, directorate, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $3,942,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. We are now moving to the first activity starting on page 332, with information pages up to 335. Questions? Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. The question was: how many staff does the Office of the Fire Marshal have who do plan review? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Presently, we have one staff. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. There is always a concern about timing, that from the time you file the plans to receiving a response doesn't fit in with some of the projects. It takes a little too long. Is there any appetite to increase the number of staff there? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Presently, the Fire Prevention Act is under review, so once that review is done, we'd be able to determine the amount of staff to support the Fire Prevention Act. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I've got some concern is that there are modular units that come into the Northwest Territories, whether they're camps or whether they're residential trailers. I know that we operate under Part 9 of the National Building Code. If you've got a modular unit coming out of Alberta, it's under the Alberta Part 10. There's a little bit of a difference there. I'm just wondering, with one staff in that office, and I understand there's regional staff as well, assistant fire marshals, I'm wondering if that's sufficient staff to monitor those types of buildings coming into the territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. This concern has been brought up quite a bit throughout, looking at the infrastructure that we are building within the communities and in respect to modular homes, as well. Once the Fire Prevention Act is passed and we've determined and it's finalized, I would like to look at the staffing for that position. Knowing that we do have assistant fire marshals within the district offices, I would also like to really emphasize on the support that we would have at headquarters. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. With respect to plan review, what aspects of the plans does the Office of the Fire Marshall look at? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking at the aspects for what the Fire Marshall would hold, I was going to refer this question over to Mr. Schauerte, just so he can elaborate on it because I know we don't have a building act, and I don't want to get those two confused. I want to be very clear. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Mr. Schauerte.

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Schauerte

Thank you, Madam Chair. Under the Fire Prevention Act, we adopt the component of the National Building Code that deals with the threat of fire, fire and the threat of fire. It really is that component of the National Building Code that the plan review office reviews for compliance with respect to the architectural drawings and the building plans that come before the plan review office. The complexity of some of the buildings that come forward and some of the drawings that we get contribute to the plan review process. Largely, the better the plan review documents that come before us, the easier it is for the plan review officer to review them and approve them and approve the project.

As the Minister has pointed out, the Fire Prevention Act is a priority for the department for the review during the 19th Assembly and, of course, the plan review function is a critical component to that. There's been considerable interest, not only within this House, but with community governments and the NWT Association of Communities to look at building standards, which is a view to expand a little bit the role of what plan review would look like. Really, as part of our legislative agenda, to review the Fire Prevention Act, this gives us, the department, the opportunity to look at all these functions to determine how best serving the building industry relative to the National Building Code and improving projects.

A lot of the questions that are being asked around building standards are really tied back to that discussion around the Fire Prevention Act and the work that we can do there. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Mr. Schauerte. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Under infrastructure, I think it is, we have gas. We have the gas inspections, and we have the boilers. Is your department looking at maybe bringing those together with the gas inspections and possibly even plumbing?. Right now, we have no plumbing inspections required in the NWT except for Yellowknife, I think. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We did speak about the building code and looking back to the Northwest Territories, and having the functions under one act. I'm going to have Ms. Eleanor Young elaborate on that a little bit further. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. The issue the Member is raising are issues that have been raised as part of phase one of the Fire Prevention Act work through engagement with stakeholders. The fact that we've got regulatory function sitting in two or three departments with regard to construction industry in the North. We had started down the path of getting ready for a phase two engagement specific to that latter part of the Fire Prevention Act around building plan review and building inspections. Unfortunately, the 911 legislation sidetracked some of that work for a year or two. We're now getting back to it. In the interest of much of the conversation around a broader building act, what we intend to do is do a discussion paper to finish the work on the Fire Prevention Act, but also gather information on whether the Fire Prevention Act is the right tool to fix many of these issues or whether it is broader building legislation or whether it's some sort of harmonization of the processes we currently have.

We expect that that process will lead us to a recommendation in terms of the legislative fix. Whether it's under Fire Prevention Act or whether we take on a second act with a building standards act. We hope to have that decision, I think our goal is within this year so that we can finish whatever the work is in the remainder of this Assembly. Many of these issues are why we stopped and slowed down that work on the Fire Prevention Act because we realized there were much bigger discussions and decisions that had to be made about where we go in terms of all of these different regulatory authorities. Where they get housed would fall out of that final decision about legislation. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess if we have an all-encompassing act and regulations -- I'm thinking about the smaller communities where they kind of get left out. If somebody's doing a project and you're waiting two or three weeks for an inspection, that's a problem. I am assuming that as you're doing this review, that's in the back of your mind, as well. Is that correct? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. That is correct. I do run into a lot of comments and a lot of conversation that surround that exact conversation that, when constructing infrastructure, that we should just be operating under one act instead of several -- not several, but we just have so many different compartments. It kind of gets complicated for smaller communities. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just one quick question with respect to page 334, ground ambulance and highway rescue. It's always an issue in Hay River. I understand the community has never really been fully funded for providing that service. If there's an accident, we pretty well go out there. I just want to confirm that that's the case, and I suspect that the department's in consultation with Hay River on that issue? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We were actually just recently in Hay River. We met as a Cabinet there, and the exact concern was brought up. We are working with the City of Hay River. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just in regards to fire safety in the community of Tuktoyaktuk. We have a pumper that's 30 years old. It's hit that timeline for 30 years in regards to being effective and not being able to use it now. We had to use it in a fire two weeks ago, had no choice because the other new fire truck, it broke down. Is there any way, does the Minister have any extraordinary funding for something of that kind of an emergency? The community is of 1,000 people, and the newest truck that we do have is an F-550 with an air-port attack foam truck. Is there any way to see if we could get extraordinary funding for the community of Tuktoyaktuk to get a fire truck as soon as possible for the community's safety? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Unfortunately, to the Member, we don't have extra money to buy a vehicle, like a fire truck; I don't know what the proper term is, but to buy a fire truck. It could be identified in their capital plan, in their asset management going forward, and we can help and assist them to budget for this as they go forward in looking at the need to replace the fire truck and what did you say? The fire safety pump? Is that what it was? Can he clarify? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you. We need a fire truck, Madam Chair. The community is at risk without a fire truck. The fire truck is 30 years old. It still could run, still pumps water, but there is no insurance. You can't use it. You're not supposed to use it; but we did use it. For the safety of the firefighters that are there, they're all volunteer, and there has to be a way, in regard to working with the community, to get something sooner rather than later, because the community is stretched to the limit already. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will take that, as well, and if the Member could identify the community, I will work with the community to look at the need for their fire truck. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Madam Minister. Now, I am looking at ground ambulance service for the Tuktoyaktuk Inuvik Highway. We don't have ambulance service. We have the RCMP in Tuktoyaktuk, and we put people in the back of a pick-up truck in a stretcher and bring them to the health centre. Thank God we haven't had any real accidents on that road yet. The safety concern, we did a study with CRA that did the study for the road from Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk that has an ambulance that is going back and forth being able to help out in the community, if needed, as well. We had buy-in from the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk in regard to providing a place for that ambulance, but why isn't there ambulance service put into the community of Tuktoyaktuk? There is ambulance service right across the territory at the government cost, not the local, in regard to providing that kind of service, too. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I hear the Member's comments, and I just would like to elaborate that the Tuktoyaktuk highway is fairly new. In looking at upgrades and looking at services that we need to provide, I would like to work with the community. I know that he had expressed, too, that there was already a study done with CRA, but I would like to look at that and visit that approach again. Looking at the services that are going to be provided, they will be accessing and using that highway quite a bit, so it is going to change the dynamic of the services in that community. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. I really think that, for this coming year, in regard to planning and working with the community of Tuktoyaktuk and in regard to ambulance service is needed for safety and for the community and then the tourists, because people are getting hurt being trucked in. Like I said, RCMP is hauling them in the back of their trucks out of the kindness of their hearts, where there is no insurance for them. For anybody driving that truck, if something does happen to them, God forbid deceased, they could be liable. We have to start really thinking outside of the box in trying to service our people. I look forward to working with the Minister. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will be working with the Member going forward in regard to the fire truck and the road ambulance. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Nunakput.

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Jackie Jacobson Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just to add, too, because in the Mackenzie Delta, I have cousins all over, and I want to make sure that Inuvik, Aklavik, the ice road, Tsiigehtchic to Fort McPherson to Inuvik, there should be a vehicle that is just cruising down on the highway like how they do it from here to Behchoko, Yellowknife to Behchoko. You see that ambulance service. There should be something, at least two vehicles, either one based in Tuktoyaktuk and one based in Inuvik, driving the Aklavik ice road in the winter, and then, for the summer, driving from Inuvik to Tsiigehtchic to the border. The biggest thing is making sure that we are getting proper coverage and safety for the people in the Delta. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I see the concern brought up in the Nunakput and Mackenzie Delta region. I will be following up with the Member. As for the ambulance service delivered in Behchoko, we have worked with the community. Just looking and elaborating on that a little bit more, I will follow up with the Member just to make sure that I am clear on the messaging. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I will move on to Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. I have some questions about the 911 program. I know that it's a new program, on page 333. It's been long needed, and I am really happy to see this line item. I am looking forward to seeing how this program grows. Like any new program, I think we expect that there's going to be some fine tuning; we're going to take some bruises, I think, as a department. I am hoping that it's going along well. I know that, when we were first briefed on this in November, we were told that we should expect to see some little issues, glitches, here and there. I just want to hear from the Minister how things are going there, and I did have a few questions about this program. Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. As of March 9th, 911 has received an estimated total of 9,000 calls. Of those, 29 percent of them were police-related; 1 percent of the calls were fire-related; 4 percent were medical-related. The remaining 66 percent of the calls are classified as non-emergency, which can include prank calls, test calls, and other inquiries of a non-emergency nature. Since going live, as of March 9, 2020, 911 has had five French callers and two Cantonese callers, and there have been no official language calls as of to date. The French callers were supported by the 911 dispatchers who are bilingual. With the Cantonese calls, the dispatcher used translation services through CanTalk. All calls that required translations were within Yellowknife. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi, Madam Chair, and thank you for those stats. I think I would ask the Minister, too, to give this in writing to standing committee, please.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I will do that. I will provide the information to the Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. I'm just listening to the languages and stuff, how the breakdown went there. I would like to know, too, a breakdown of where the calls are coming from, the communities. I think that would be important, as well. Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I will provide the community context. All calls throughout the Northwest Territories will be within that written report to the committee. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. Thank you for the response. I would like to know, too, after hours, where are those calls routed to? That's to the Minister. Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The service is available 24 hours a day, so I am not too sure if that clarifies your question. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you for the response. I'm aware that it's 24 hours, but where are the calls being taken?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Sorry, I didn't hear you. The calls are from Yellowknife. The 911 office is located here in the city. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Madam Chair. You mentioned something quickly about official languages. I'm always wanting to be proactive and stuff. I remember we had a very serious incident way up in Sahtu where an elder witnessed something, and there was a big disconnect with the dispatcher for the RCMP. Unfortunately, somebody ended up deceased from that. If we have somebody with one of the official languages call in to 911, how is that call dealt with and how does that process work? When the person calls in, where is the call routed to and how is it dealt with? Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just going to start off, and I'm going to get Ms. Young to elaborate on the response. I was concerned very much, as well, with the official languages and to seeing that we do meet the needs of the Northwest Territories. When I went to go toward the location, it was actually that we didn't have very many, I want to say almost none, calls that were called in requesting an Indigenous language. Right now, we do work with CanTalk, that does provide that service, but we did run into situations where we just have a limited number of translators for each of, I want to say there are seven dialects in the Northwest Territories, who actually speak the language, who can respond. We had a hard time to find those translators in the Northwest Territories. Going forward, according to what we have, our response is very quick and very effective, very efficient, to where the responders on the phone are able to decrease and rate a call and that they are able to almost provide the assistance over the phone. I'll have Eleanor elaborate on it a little bit more. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. The way that the translation system works, the call comes in live to the operators, who, as the Minister said, are in our call centre 24-7. If they recognize that it's not French or English, they immediately dial in this CanTalk service, which then identifies the language and connects with a translator. We have, as much as has been possible, provided them with names of translators in the Northwest Territories who speak the languages, so that CanTalk could actually connect them with those individuals.

Unfortunately, and I know this has been a conversation with Education, Culture and Employment, as well, we don't have enough translators in the Northwest Territories to be able to operate this as a sustainable service in the territories currently, although that is ideally a goal of all of us, to be able to, instead of using CanTalk, have that translation service provided here. This CanTalk service is an interim solution that connects us to translators as quickly as possible. I know that we haven't tested it yet, because we've not had an Indigenous call come in, but the goal is to be able to have the translation connected and working live with the client within 60 to 80 seconds. Unfortunately, I can't tell you whether that has happened on the ground, because we haven't had one to experience yet. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi, Madam Chair. Thank you to Ms. Young and the Minister for the response. I'm just looking through this, as well. It's always good, when you are doing a new program, you don't want to set it up to fail; you make sure it doesn't go by the wayside. I'm just wondering if the Minister could let me know if they feel like the staffing right now is adequate to keep this program running and if this will be adequate, this number here, this line item, to fund it; if $1.2 million will be enough moving forward. Marsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. This program rolling out is very new. I think we launched November of last year. We haven't been functioning for a year, yet. Going forward, I will be doing an assessment to see how our program is rolling out. Right now, we have I want to say seven staff and a relief. We have seven staff and a relief working at this call centre. As we go forward, we will be evaluating this program. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh.

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Steve Norn Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you. Mahsi cho, Madam Chair. One last question: are those staff, the ones you've just mentioned, are they reflected on page 335 at all? Mahsi cho.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, they are reflected on the page. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you. We will move on to the Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I appreciate all the questions leading and opening up the subject of 911 from my colleague. You mentioned just now that you have seven staff working with the 911 program. Is seven staff considered fully staffed? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Presently, that is considered fully staffed. I said we will be reviewing the program probably within the year, so we would be able to see the program functioning and coming out. There could be a possible request for changes and more staff. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Right now we sometimes have a lot of people off sick, especially when flu season hits, when staff is short, where do the calls get routed to? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. When we are receiving these responses and we require more staff, we have the med staff who are available, as well. I just want to really elaborate that we ended up hiring the one relief so it would alleviate and try to take care of the amount of hours and stress because I was very mindful of it when I went in. This could almost be a 24-hour position because they do get calls in. The centre is quite busy, so I'm very mindful of it just looking at the program delivery going forward. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Just to confirm, calls are only answered in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that's correct.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. What percent of emergency calls received in the Northwest Territories are going to 911? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't have those numbers in front of me right now. I'd have to get back to the Member. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much. I would appreciate that, and I think that would go to the government operations committee, if possible. Thank you. My next question is: I'm wondering if the Minister could identify the significant growing pains they have experienced with 911 and how the department is addressing them. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Since the program and the service has just been available to us since November, we have had I don't want to say staffing issues, but it's a very unique education that you need to fill these positions. There is just a limited number of people who come forward with this expertise. Looking at training, as well, I did emphasize that, as well, that we do have the centre available, and we would be open for training. It's very specific, and the level of training required is very different. That style of training is not available in the North, but I will have Ms. Young elaborate on the response. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a couple of things to add to the Minister's comments in terms of what we've observed. Obviously, the question of staffing, the staffing was identified based on what we assumed would be typical call volumes, so we have to measure what we're actually receiving against the model that was used to predict the number of staff and see if we are adequately staffing. We have had things come up like staff requesting parental leave, which, of course, when you design a staff model, you're not anticipating somebody being away for a long period of time, so how to cover that kind of situation.

It was designed in a way to meet national accreditation standards, so there have been some growing pains in just how calls are received and communicated to dispatch centres in communities. We are working through those with a number of communities. In some cases, communities have hired some additional support; in other cases, we're working with the community to try to go through and iron out exactly what the issues are and resolve those. I am working quite closely, for example, with the City of Yellowknife on some issues that they have identified and trying to work through what's causing the issue and then what the resolution to that issue is. We will be doing a report every year within 90 days of the end of the fiscal year, so I am looking forward to seeing the first report and some of the numbers and the analysis about how many calls we're getting, how much time our staff are putting in to be able to really get a better handle on: is it the right amount of staff? Are we getting the right expertise? Are there any other issues coming up? Those are the initial things that we have noticed. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Earlier, you gave some fabulous stats to my colleague in regard to trends in calls, specific to how many were fire, ambulance, and police. I am wondering if you also track data in regard to what type of calls, specifically: are they domestic violence? Are they car accidents? Are they suicide-related? I'm wondering if you're tracking trends in data related to that type of information. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we are. It's a new program. It's a new rollout. There is a lot of information that is out there, but just looking to see what identifies this program and what comes with it, yes, we do identify those different types of calls. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am wondering what the Minister does with this data, and do they share it with Health and Social Services? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. This data determines how we are going to roll out the program and what we need to improve. We do share the information with the department of health. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. You mentioned national accreditation, and I'm wondering if the department audits the calls that they have through 911 and, with the auditing, what specifically they look at. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking at asking about an audit, the program has only existed since November. It hasn't been a year yet, but looking at the types of calls that we have determines the quality and the style of service that we are going to be providing. Going forward, auditing, the program has to be at least alive for a year for us to get those real numbers and those real stats. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. With my final couple minutes here, I would like to switch subject matters, but still under public safety. We had a conversation with EIA in regard to the SPCA and the funding that was given through EIA to the SPCA. Last term, we saw MACA give funding to the SPCA. I am wondering where that piece of the puzzle fits within the GNWT. The SPCA is more than just a place for animals. It has a huge public safety component to it. I know that we have an expectation for community governments to handle that, but we are underfunding community governments. There is nowhere for people to take their pets in a lot of these communities to be spayed or to be vaccinated. One bad dog bite can turn into a hugely expensive medical travel bill. I am wondering where this fits within the GNWT. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Right now, it has been brought up before, and even during the campaign, that we're looking at the SPCA and who is responsible for the animals. We need to look at and consult with the local communities and see what level of service is provided. Also, this is what the Premier had committed to, as well, too, so our department will be following up and trying to find solutions on how we are going to be working with animals in the SPCA within the communities. I just want to say that because there is no SPCA within the communities, but we need to have some kind of control and service provided at the community level. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will reiterate my colleague's comments that the NWT SPCA does do work in all of the communities. I think, more and more, we're realizing that animal health is just a part of human health, and if you see rabies transmit between species, it can have devastating effects. It's a huge public health thing. I'll just reiterate that. That is the aspect that I find most concerning about the gap.

I wanted to switch. I heard the Minister say that, currently, all calls are being answered in the NWT. My understanding is that there were some dispatch centres, and that may actually be community dispatch centres, or there was talk of us, I believe, hiring Alberta to take over phone calls if medical services can't. Can I just confirm whether that's happening?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, the Member is correct. We do have Inuvik and Hay River, but these services were established before 911, and we work with them in conjunction, as well. Yes, we work with them. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Member, for your comment.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I look forward to seeing this first 911 report. I know that there have been some growing pains, and there are a number of conversations. I was wondering if the report will have a comparison of dispatch times post-911 and pre-911.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Sorry, Minister, wait for your light.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just thinking, post-911 and pre-911, the program hasn't been around for a year, so I would really like to look at those stats after the year that the program has actually been launched to determine those numbers. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. The concern I am wanting to address is that I know 911, due to the certification, adds some extra steps, which means, at times, when a person is calling 911, as opposed to the old number, the time is actually taking longer. I am wondering if dispatch times will be part of the report.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking at the response times that we have, don't quote me on it, but I think that we are in the seconds to be responding to calls that are coming through. Looking at where the Member is probably thinking that the time is kind of taking a while for us to respond is, I want to say, with the City of Yellowknife, because they do provide a service; we provide a service, but we are actually working together to improve and have one established service for the City of Yellowknife. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

I appreciate that, and I know that there is a lot of work to do. It's with each dispatch. I think 911 is a great step, and I think that following these public service standards is great. Sometimes you're better off just calling the fire department directly if you need the fire department in Hay River. We need to eliminate that step. We need to encourage 911 to be always used. When we get the numbers, seeing how many calls are going to the old number, I would also like to see if we, in the report, will have numbers showing how long 911 calls are taking.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I hear the Member's comment, and we are still in transition, so I'm expecting the members of the public to be continuing to call the old numbers that were distributed in the past, but we are in transition. Going forward, I will provide the Member with the times of the calls that were received. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I just want to remind the Members to say "thank you" at the end. We have a different sound guy, so he needs to know when you're done, for the microphones. Thank you. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll remember to do that. I appreciate looking at the dispatch times, because I recognize people are going to continue to call the old numbers, and the goal is to eventually get everyone on 911 and make sure we are all having conversations about dispatch times. I look forward to those conversations. My next question is to consumer affairs. I, in time, would like to see a new Consumer Protection Act with a little more teeth, but can I get a sense of how many complaints the consumer affairs department deals with? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not familiar with the number of consumer affairs complaints that we have received, but I will look to my colleagues to see if they have additional information that I can provide for you right now. I'll have Ms. Young respond. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. Surprisingly, the number of calls is actually quite small. In 2019, we had five complaints originate out of Yellowknife, two out of Hay River, and that has been typical. A lot of the emphasis has been on public education, but there have not been a lot of calls. I think part of that lends to what the Member is speaking of, about what we can do under the act. With us having a limited ability to do something, there may not be an impetus for people to call. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I completely agree. I think, without the legislation having more teeth, you get fewer complaints. I was just curious whether it was being utilised and the extent, now. Sorry, I wanted to switch to the Office of the Fire Marshal. This is probably one of my largest, actually, areas of constituents' complaints, is coming out of the Fire Marshal. I'm very excited that we will be reviewing the act. I believe there is a bit of a cultural issue in the department, in not working with people, and there has been inflexibility. I even know that the GNWT itself has had some issues with that office. What is the Minister doing to deal with the number of complaints regarding the Office of the Fire Marshal?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I am aware that we do have some concerns in regard to the Office of the Fire Marshal, but then I just feel reluctant to answer the question because it is a human resources question. Going forward, we are very consistent with the number of complaints that we do deal with, and we do act on them, as well. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Sorry, I actually don't even know who the Fire Marshal is. I'm not speaking about the specific Fire Marshal; it's an office with procedures and policies in place, and people run into them. I know the Chamber has talked about appeal mechanisms. People have talked about adopting the Building Code to be more flexible for the realities on the ground. There are a number of ways we could amend the current policies and procedures under the Fire Marshal. I'm not speaking of the Fire Marshal as a person. I'm just wondering: has there been an increase in complaints stemming out of disputes around the Office of the Fire Marshal? Is that being dealt with? Can I just get a sense of where that's going?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. My apologies to the Member. I misunderstood the question. There are concerns in regard to the Office of the Fire Marshal, and the concerns that are brought forward deal with buildings and standards and whatever. That is why we are working with the Fire Prevention Act to improve our services. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. I will now move on to Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. My questions are to do with emergency management. I'm aware that the department created an NWT emergency plan in 2018. Has that emergency plan been fully implemented at this point? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, it has, and it is available. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to the Minister for that response. What would it take to activate this emergency plan now, if we required it in connection with the public health emergency? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking at the emergency plan, because I do know that we have quite a concern happening right now and there's a lot of discussion happening in the Northwest Territories. I'm going to have Ms. Young elaborate on the emergency plan and what it would take to initiate it. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't remember the specifics in the act, but it does refer to widespread things that impact public health and safety, and things of that nature. That is part of the live conversation happening every day right now between the Department of Health and Municipal and Community Affairs about which legislation is dealing with which aspects of the situation with the developing virus and which one offers the best tools to take steps, if steps are required, for further action than what is currently in place. That is part of the ongoing conversation. Sorry. I don't remember the specific wording in the act about when we actually activate a state of emergency, which is really what triggers our emergency measures organization to be fully up and operating. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that response. The state of emergency is the activation tool. Once the state of emergency is declared, what kind of scope and reach does this plan have? Does it reach every NWT community? What kind of reach does it have, and scope? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to be specific on the response because looking at a community level and the stakeholders that would be involved in the process, if there were to be any concerns in regard to initiating the emergency plan. I'm going to have Eleanor elaborate on the response. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, the act provides powers to declare a state of emergency in part or all of the territory, depending on the nature of what activities need to be undertaken. If it was for example related to travel or provision of goods and services across the territory, it could be the entire territory, but if it's dealing with a specific region, a wildfire, it could be within the region. The plan provides the flexibility to respond to the type of emergency that is in place. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that response. What kind of resources would you need to activate the plan on a territory-wide basis?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The plan would involve, I would say, all levels. All levels would be involved, and there is consultation and involvement to make sure that the emergency and the safety of the people of the Northwest Territories, that it's a collaborative plan that involves stakeholders and people within the Northwest Territories, not only Municipal and Community Affairs. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife Centre

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that response. I was thinking more about financial resources. How does the department access financial resources for activating this plan? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to let Ms. Young elaborate on the financial resources that are available to initiate the emergency plan. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair, under the Emergency Measures Act, of course, the act provides authorities, and we have a territorial planning committee that would be overseeing this with all of the departments. If it got to a situation where we needed additional financial resources, there are provisions under our Financial Administration Act to seek emergency funding if it was necessary. We also have a disaster financial arrangement with Canada. Again, depending on the size and scope of the emergency, it's actually a sliding scale of reimbursement to get money back from Canada.

For example, with the wildfires from 2014, we've just recently finished our audit of that claim and are receiving partial reimbursement for our expenditures from the 2014 wildfires. Those were funded on an emergency basis for the GNWT, but we've been able to recover part of that funding from Canada. It's multi-layer. The same thing happens with the communities. If their resources are exceeded, they can come to the territorial government. When our resources are exceeded, we can go to Canada. That's the way the structure is set up. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife Centre.

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Julie Green Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just out of curiosity, what percentage of money is the department getting back that was spent in that 2014 fire season?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Member, for your question. 2014, honestly, I'd have to get back to you on the amount that was returned back to the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Are there any further questions under public safety? If there's no further questions under public safety, please go to page 333, Municipal and Community Affairs, public safety, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $2,839,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. We will now move to page 337, regional operations. Starting on page 336 with information items up to 340. Questions? Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Can someone tell me what the municipal funding gap currently is?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. It's approximately $40 million a year. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. Can I just commit that with our mandate commitment of reducing the municipal funding gap by $5 million, that in three and a half years, it will be at $35 million a year approximately? Is that correct?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, that is correct. I want to elaborate a little bit that we are trying to work with the municipalities, and trying to look for other sources of funding where they can look at that funding gap and find resources for their services. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate we should be working with our communities to find other sources. Get money from the feds is the slogan around here. I want to confirm: if it's approximately 40, and it's going to be approximately 35, and we know that the gap actually increases with inflation, and it increases with devaluing of assets, are we going to be spending more than $5 million in the life of this Assembly to reduce the municipal funding gap?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to elaborate a little bit on the municipal gap. I had to get the briefings, and I had to understand where this municipal gap came from. I just want to really express that it wasn't just that it had happened one year, that $40 million. All the communities were cut. It was a number that was developed through a report, in a study that was done for the Northwest Territories. Since the report has been distributed, we have not cut back within our communities. The budgets have still stayed and remained the same. The communities have not been cut back as long as the announcement has been made. I am going to let Ms. Young elaborate on this topic. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. The point the Minister, the MLA is making is exactly what we saw in the last Assembly where despite an investment of $11 million, the gap did grow. Part of the plan, we have the mandate item as identified, but there is an opportunity each year to come forward through the forced growth process to deal with the inflationary increases, and that would be the intent so that you don't lose any pace with that $5 million. It would be the goal, so that the $5 million is a net deduction in the gap is our goal. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Yellowknife North.

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Rylund Johnson Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate that. That's exactly the answer I was looking for. I tried to ask this a couple of times, and I think that clarifies it. I'm very happy to hear that, which we will make a dent in it. Thank you, Madam Chair. No further questions.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North. Are there any other questions under regional operations? Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Is it reasonable to assume that that municipal funding gap will decrease over time considering the age of some of the infrastructure in the communities? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. It is built into the calculations. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I assume that the department is working with the communities to identify some areas where they can raise money. I'm just wondering if you have any idea what those areas may be. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Working with the communities, and I just want to mention land transfer, but it's a very difficult process for the communities to gain that responsibility. There's a lot of other situations that come along with it. In looking at the grant-in-lieu that we do have, in looking at the federal funding, as well, that we do support the communities and with their application process for them to receive additional funding. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just looking at community government funding and formula funding. Has the department reviewed the formula funding in the last while to confirm it's equitable and it works for all the communities? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I will just revert this question over to Eleanor Young, Ms. Young. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. That was exactly the work that was done in 2014 was to go out and take a look at our funding formulas and ensure that they were fair and equitable across all communities. That work was what resulted in the funding gap numbers that we have been discussing now for the last few years. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. Just going over to recreation and the sports programming. I see we spend a few dollars in that. I'm just wondering if the money we're spending is actually providing any benefit or some benefit to supporting youth, and helping them keep in shape, and whatever else they have to do? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Just to clarify, that would be under sports and recreation, so that is the last section of MACA. The sports and recreation is our last. We're on the fifth, and that's the seventh section. Did you have further questions on regional operations? Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Just to clarify, we're on regional operations?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

We are on regional operations.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Page 339?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Sorry. I thought you were asking about -- there's a whole section of sports and recreation. I will give you some time on the clock. Can you re-ask your question?

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. The funds that we're providing for recreation funding to children and youth and the programming, is the money we're spending, are we getting value, I guess, for those dollars? For me, recreation and sports are very important. I think it helps develop youth. I just want to make sure we're providing the funding and we're getting the value for what we are providing. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to just elaborate a little bit. The binder kind of seems a little bit confusing that these are regional operations. We do provide these programs at the community level. As you go forward into sport and recreation, that is funding that we provide for organizations to deliver sport and recreation. Anyways, I just wanted to list this off, that we have recreation funding. This is for the smaller communities. The Children and Youth Resiliency Program, regional youth sports events, the Youth Contribution Program, and the Youth Corps would be at the community level. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just going to go to the -- and hopefully, this is the right section -- senior citizens and disabled persons property tax relief. I see we have an increase from $847,000 up to $1,005,000. Can you just elaborate on that increase? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. There was an increase there, and it was due to the amount of applications that we did receive for the seniors and disability tax relief program. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. To access that program, what is the age requirement?

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. The age requirement is 65. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. If there is a husband and wife, and one is 65 and the other is not, can they still access that program? Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I would have to get back to the Member. I just want to be specific and clear that, if there is a husband and wife, and the property tax is under the husband's name or the wife's name or both, that makes a difference. If it's under just the one, then I would have to get clarification. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South.

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Rocky Simpson Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Chair. That question has come up before, and what happens is that one spouse has to sell the property to the other to access that. Myself, I don't think that's right. I look forward to your answer. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, I will return with comments for the Member for clarification. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Committee, we will take a break right now.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

We are calling committee back to order, and we are on activity regional operations. We finished with Hay River South. Are there questions on regional operations? Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I am wondering, for the sports activities that are located under other contributions, can the Minister advise what percentage of that funding goes to planning versus the actual activities and events? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just going to have Ms. Young respond. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ms. Young.

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Young

Thank you, Madam Chair. All of the programs that you see there are actually contribution programs. The administration of those programs is done by our staff, which is funded up in the staff component. This is the actual dollars of the program that are delivered. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Ms. Young. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. That's excellent news. I am wondering if the Minister can speak to the Children and Youth Resiliency Program that is outlined on page 338. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Hi. Just a second. Thank you, Madam Chair. MACA provides $450,000 in annual contributions to community governments or other organizations to support programs that encourage physical literacy and resilience in children and youth. This program also supports GNWT objectives related to healthy communities and to poverty, mental health and addictions, and education. The Children and Youth Resiliency Program helps support and develop physical activity and mental health resilience amongst NWT children and youth. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Kam Lake.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. How many communities currently take advantage or are included in that program? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Twenty-nine is the number. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I heard the number 29. Why are the other four communities not involved in this program? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. That is application-based. The other communities did not apply. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I am wondering if, because these are application-based programs, does MACA maintain a database of different applications that communities have put in that communities could potentially draw from so that they're not starting from scratch or trying to reinvent the wheel of a program that is working really well for another neighbouring community? Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. We do not share, but if the applicant would like to work towards a program, we are there to support and see them through the application. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member.

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Caitlin Cleveland Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Is the Minister willing to create access to this information or kind of a database, even on their website, of different programs that communities are putting together so that communities are able to work together to take advantage of this funding? A lot of times, there is a need for capacity to be able to, not only put these programs on, but also do the work for the grants that need to be done in order to get the funding. If we have that information readily available for programs that are working, it takes a lot of that work away from communities having to put that work in to get the money. Thank you.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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Paulie Chinna Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you to the Member for that suggestion. I would like to put that information together of what MACA has supported and look at interest throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Are there any other questions under regional operations? Seeing no further questions, please look on page 337. Municipal and Community Affairs, regional operations, operations expenditure summary, 2020-2021 Main Estimates, $96,577,000. Does committee agree?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, committee. We will now turn to Municipal and Community Affairs, School of Community Government, starting on page 341, with information items up to page 344. Questions? Questions on School of Community Government? Member for Kam Lake.

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Kevin O'Reilly Frame Lake

Thanks, Madam Chair. Frame Lake. What will be the role of the School of Community Government with regard to implementation of access to information and protection of privacy legislation at the municipal level? Thanks, Madam Chair.

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The Chair Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister.

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