This is page numbers 915 - 940 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was education.

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Motion 146-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 20
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommend that the Department of Education establish a goal in the 1993-94 main estimates of significantly increasing the number of students that enter the education system and graduate.

Further, that an objective be included in the 1993-94 main estimates to ensure that the quality of core subjects throughout the school system is uniform.

Motion 146-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 20
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. Dent. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

General comments, Mr. Dent.

Motion 147-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 21
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

September 14th, 1992

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In line with the comments on the need for a strategy, I would further move that this committee recommend that the department complete the education strategy by October 1993, and that this strategy be

designed to significantly improve student success rates and fill northern job opportunities.

Motion 147-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 21
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Ms. Cournoyea. To the motion. Mr. Dent.

Number of High School Graduates

Motion 147-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 21
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Just a brief comment, Mr. Chairman. In 1985-86 we had better than 20 percent of the 18 year old population, by percentage in the Northwest Territories, graduating from high school. Since that year, we have never achieved the same level. It seems to me that this indicates that there is a real problem with the system. If we are spending as much money as we are, and we are not getting as many people to graduate as we did in the mid-80's, there is obviously something wrong.

I think it is very important that this strategy be developed, and that it be one that has really got some thought and some detail as to how it can be made to work, how the system can be made to work. Obviously, right now.

Motion 147-12(2): To Adopt Recommendation 21
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

General comments. Mr. Dent.

Report Of The Standing Committee On Finance
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In 1990, the Minister of Education tabled the employment development strategy, which outlines three main thrusts to train northerners for present and future jobs, including labour market planning, employment support programs, and employment preparation programs. However, the committee fails to see the results of that strategy incorporated into the objectives listed in the 1992-93 Main Estimates.

Motion 148-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 22
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Education incorporate the results of the employment development strategy into the objectives of the 1993-94 Main Estimates.

Motion 148-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 22
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

General comments. Mr. Dent.

Motion 148-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 22
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee is concerned that there is a lack of integration of high school and Arctic College. As a result, children are not being prepared in high school to proceed to Arctic College. There does not seem to be any development of career pathing.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Therefore, I move that this committee recommend that the Department of Education ensure that the education strategy and Arctic College strategy be integrated by October, 1993.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Ms. Cournoyea.

Arctic College

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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Nellie Cournoyea Nunakput

I would like a clarification. I know that all of us have some concerns about the level of learning ability as people progress through the grade school system. I would like to clarify that the suggestion is that it be integrated with the Arctic College strategy. Is integrated the word that should be used, or made compatible, or more in line with? What about students who do not want to go to Arctic College, and they want to go to vocational school or a reasonably facsimile there of.

Is it fair to say that it should be only integrated with the Arctic College strategy, or is there more that we are looking at rather than that one link? Just clarification.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Dent.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The reason for this recommendation is that the government, the Department of Education, has control over these two bodies. It would seem that in the past, there has been no coordination, so that there has been no career pathing. Someone who is coming up through the education system leading to further education, which could be undergone or undertaken by Arctic College, does not seem to follow a coordinated path. Right now, we are providing some people with the opportunity to go to southern institutions, whether it is post-secondary, or vocational, but it seems that there is almost a stop at the high school door, rather than taking advantage of the opportunities we have to provide northerners with education by continuing within the system through the Arctic College system, which we are continually developing in the centres throughout the north.

It seemed to the committee, that Arctic College was working on its own, the Department of Education with K-12 was working on its own, and as the Minister of Education pointed out in his paper, in preparing people for employment in the 1990's which was tabled document 31-90(1), Arctic College remains the primary delivery system for adult education and training in the N.W.T. That means that anybody who has gone past grade 12 has Arctic College, that more of them will have Arctic College as their option, than any other option. The two should be put together. In the past they have not. They have been operating on a stand alone basis.

This government cannot, or this department cannot plan to integrate or coordinate programs with other institutions other than talking to them, and trying to make sure that people are prepared to go into them. We have an opportunity with the Department of Education having responsibility for both K-12 and funding Arctic College, to ensure that there is a broad career pathing plan developed.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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John Todd Keewatin Central

If I may add to that, Mr. Chairman, this would not preclude looking at other alternatives outside of Arctic College. This motion and the debate that took place within the standing committee was more directed towards Arctic College as Mr. Dent has said. Clearly, in our opinion, the discussions between high school and the Arctic Colleges, as far as we could see, outside of perhaps maybe Fort Smith, was very limited. That would not preclude, S.A.I.T, N.A.I.T. and certainly we would encourage others to look at these other institutions. In our experience there seemed to be no relationship between the high school, grade 10, 11 and 12, and what Arctic College was doing.

For example, when we spoke to some of the school principals, there was no liaison, not even any discussion between school principals and the V.P.s. It seemed to us to be absurd. There was no relationship between designing trades or vocational programs and jobs for kids who are in grades 9, 10, 11, and 12. That is what we are trying to accomplish here. Some kind of relationship that Arctic College plays a further role and complements the kids who are coming up the system.

It does not preclude students looking at alternatives outside of Arctic College.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

To the motion. Mr. Arvaluk.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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James Arvaluk Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way I seem to understand it, the motion should read to include Arctic College with other career training programs. Something along this line. Is that the way the motion is intended?

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. Mr. Dent.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Not precisely, Mr. Chairman. What we want to make sure is, that for people who could gain further education through Arctic College, the transition is made easiest. In other words, that Arctic College liaise with schools to make sure that people are aware of what their programs are. That they are being properly trained so that when they say they want to take a certain course at Arctic College, they have to know ahead of time what courses are prerequisites and that they have fulfilled all that they can at the high school level in order to ensure that when they make the next step into Arctic College, that it is easy. It is to try and facilitate further education in the north, through the Arctic College system.

Motion 149-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 23
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

General comments. Mr. Dent.

Motion 150-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 24
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee Members also expressed concern over the apparent lack of success that of the G.N.W.T. apprentice programs, that lead to full-time employment. Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Education report on the success of G.N.W.T. apprenticeship programs that lead to full-time employment in the 1993-94 main estimates.

Motion 150-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 24
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The Chair Richard Nerysoo

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

General comments. Mr. Dent.

Motion 150-12(2) To Adopt Recommendation 24
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee recognized a growing need for special needs education, due to such factors as fetal alcohol syndrome, for example. We cannot ignore the need for special education and care, however, we must also deal with the root causes and take preventative action.

The committee sensed a general frustration through the 1992-93 main estimates, that we were running out of fingers to plug the hole, when we were being flooded with serious requirements for help. There must be a change in attitude to focus on preventative action. We must stop building buildings, and start building people. For example, if we do not stop the parental alcohol abuse, what will the costs be ten years from now.