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Member's Statement 390-13(4): Water Delivery Cutbacks
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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today my statement will be related to the cutbacks on GNWT programming and the end results of these cutbacks. Mr. Speaker, Members of this government, Legislative Assembly and in particular the Members of Cabinet have made statements in regards to obtaining a balanced budget but not on the backs of the poor or the elders so therefore, we try to design programming that would not affect those types of people. However, at some point in time I feel it is important that we, as Members and Cabinet Members in particular, take the opportunity to travel to the different regions and see the results of their decisions and the results of the decisions of this Assembly as a whole in person.

Mr. Speaker, probably the best grasp that people can use to judge the effects of our programs and our decisions is to see what effect these program cutbacks are having on the particular elders, poor and, in some cases homeless people. Therefore, it is beneficial once in awhile to hear from a constituent what those actual cutbacks are and the effects they are having. Mr. Speaker, in particular I would like to refer to a letter I received from one of my constituents in regards to water delivery cutbacks. At a later time today, I will table this letter.

It starts off, "I am writing on behalf of Tuktoyaktuk housing residents who are currently encountering many hygienic and financial problems because of the water delivery cutbacks. I have been in Tuktoyaktuk almost three months and I have heard and I have also gone through the problems that Tuktoyaktuk housing residents are unfortunately going through. I would like to point out a few of the problems the water delivery cutbacks are causing:

1. Elders are going without water for at least one or two days...

Mr. Speaker, I would like unanimous consent at this time from my colleagues to complete my statement.

Member's Statement 390-13(4): Water Delivery Cutbacks
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nunakput is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? Mr. Steen, you have unanimous consent.

Member's Statement 390-13(4): Water Delivery Cutbacks
Item 2: Members' Statements

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and my colleagues. I will start again:

1. Elders are going without water for at least one or two days, as their children and grandchildren are using their water to do laundry, shower and bath.

2. People are bringing in pipeless honey buckets, and by this they mean, honey buckets with no air vents as the flush toilets are useless when they run out of water.

3. Limited water use is hygienically unhealthy as people have to cutback on their showers, baths, laundry, flushing toilets and house cleaning.

4. People are going to their neighbours, friends and relatives with a pail to borrow water, shower, bath and do laundry. It is not only embarrassing, but it is cutting in on people's privacy as well.

In the long run, it is so unhealthy it is beyond our imagination as to what health problems this water cutback will cause and has already caused. Most families are allowed 500 litres of water a week. If they run out of water and want water delivered, they have to pay $50 for a 250 litre tank. Even for people who can afford to pay it, it is another hardship as the cost of living here is so high. I know of some people, even those who are working, who have to go without water for at least two days as they just cannot afford to pay the $50.

The ones suffering are the unemployed, the elders and the single mothers, as they are on a very limited income and this unbelievable cutback is just another hardship to set them back. I am sure there are many other problems I have not mentioned. I would also like to point out that we are definitely going back in time when we use honey buckets. But at least at that time, the honey buckets had vents, running around with a pail to get water. Unfortunately, those who cannot afford very much have to suffer more because of the water issue. Whoever made this water delivery cutback should know this water is the main source of living, especially in this modern age and day."

Mr. Speaker, it is hard to really nail down as to who can trace responsibility for the final decision for the water cutback. If we go and trace this thing, Mr. Speaker, this supply is in particular to residents in social housing. This does not apply to people who own their own homes. We are in a situation here where who would make the decision to cutback water in social housing? Is it the local housing board? Obviously, they are only responding to cutbacks from the Housing Corporation. Is it the Housing Corporation? No, they are responding to cutbacks designated to them by the Minister. Is it the Minister then? No, he would say that he is responding to cutbacks agreed to by Cabinet.

At some point in time, somebody will say well, maybe it is the hamlet council. Well then the hamlet council will say no, we are responding because we have been cutback by MACA and MACA will say no, we are not responsible because we are responding to a cutback approved by the Members. And of course we Members will say no, we did not approve any of this, the departments did it on their own or they stretched the decisions made by the Legislative Assembly. Therefore we come back to this one particular point, that we all agreed the elders and the poor would not be the ones to pay for us to balance the budget.

-- Applause

We all said that and we all intended it that way, but that is not the way it is turning out. We should take that into consideration. We have been doing this for two years now and we should see what the results are of the decisions we have made. Who do I, as a Member, an MLA, which Member of this House do I question as to who made the final decision of the cutback? I have already said that when it reaches the point of the Ministers, they all say no we are responding to a cutback or the Finance Minister says everybody must cutback ten percent. The Finance Minister will say we all agreed to this, therefore, nobody is responsible for this in the end. Nobody is responsible for this decision.

I, as an MLA, am confused as to who I ask in order to put the water back. If nobody is responsible for cutting it, then obviously it should not have been done. Mr. Speaker, I would like to invite the Premier and the Finance Minister to personally view the results of their decisions in my region. I would like them to come to my community and I will personally introduce them to some of these people in this letter. If they are invited for tea by these people, they should take the tea because more than likely that elder had to borrow the water to offer them tea. Thank you.

-- Applause

Member's Statement 390-13(4): Water Delivery Cutbacks
Item 2: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Member's Statement 391-13(4): Transitional Housing Needs
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was pleased to see Mr. Arlooktoo speak about the 1996 Housing Needs Survey today because my statement relate to the need for transitional housing in Yellowknife. Transitional housing, for those who are not familiar with it, is for people who have no money, who are destitute or perhaps are in need of fleeing abuse. I am not talking about people who are perpetually in need of housing, the homeless who also need help, that is another critical area, but I am talking about people with dependants who require interim accommodation for a period of time until they get on their feet.

Yellowknife has become a magnet for a lot of people from throughout the territories and perhaps other areas as well. They are moving here from the communities. We attract a lot of families and a lot of people, some of whom are in need when they get here and likely this will increase as we go, both the numbers of people that we attract because of the potential here, because of the services here and so forth, and that will put increasing pressure on transitional housing needs. There is no shortage in our community in terms of apartments to rent or houses for sale. As a matter of fact, there is a surplus. But these are not for people who have no money, people who do not even have a damage deposit.

I was at a meeting of the YWCA recently and there were a number of community organizations represented there. There was anxiety about the future ability to provide housing and support programs. The NWT Housing Corporation has been very supportive over the years and continues to do that, but there is a limit to that support. The Housing Corporation cannot continue to increase its support forever, especially under the current financial conditions. The reason I am raising this today, Mr. Speaker, is because I want people to be aware. It is not just in the communities that there is a housing need for certain sectors. We also have a housing need and we are getting a lot of people from your communities. I have a responsibility when they become my constituents. I have a responsibility to address that problem and I will continue to address it, Mr. Speaker, to try and find some solution to it and to pressure the Minister when it comes to housing needs for my community. Thank you.

Member's Statement 391-13(4): Transitional Housing Needs
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq.

Member's Statement 392-13(4): Appreciation For Government Employees
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon colleagues. In a short time, this Assembly will take its recess for the summer. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all my colleagues, and especially the government employees in this building. I would also like to thank the residents of Pangnirtung, Clyde River, Broughton Island, and my wife and my kids. Have a good summer.

Member's Statement 392-13(4): Appreciation For Government Employees
Item 2: Members' Statements

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Member's Statement 393-13(4): Mackenzie Delta Summer Events
Item 2: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is regarding two upcoming events in the Mackenzie Delta this summer, Fun in the Land of the Midnight Sun, north of the Arctic Circle. Mr. Speaker, the first event will take place in Aklavik which is well known as Pokiak River Festival, which is the sixth annual alcohol free event and will take place the weekend of June 20th to the 23rd. Everyone is welcome to

that event, which includes some of the Delta's well known talent, especially native musicians with their natural born talents. Also, this year the event will be in honour of the youth and community wellness.

The other event, Mr. Speaker, is in regards to the Midway Lake Music Festival, which is the 12th annual Midway Lake Music Festival, which will be held July 25th, 26th, and 27th. Mr. Speaker, this year the music festival will be dedicated in honour of the late fiddler Alfred Frances, who passed away earlier this year after a long battle with cancer. Alfred has been entertaining us at Midway Lake from the beginning in 1985, along with other festivals across the Northwest Territories, Yukon and Alaska. Mr. Speaker, I welcome all the residents of the Northwest Territories, Yukon and the rest of Canada to this well publicized event to be held this summer. Thank you.

Member's Statement 393-13(4): Mackenzie Delta Summer Events
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

Member's Statement 394-13(4): Rae-edzo Power Outages
Item 2: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement is geared towards the Northwest Territories Power Corporation. Over the last weekend during the heavy rains that we had in Rae-Edzo, the Edzo residents woke up Saturday morning to find that a power outage was taking place. This outage lasted from approximately 4:30 a.m. to 12 noon. As you can see, this is an extremely long period and although it is not winter, it was very cool and did create an uncomfortable situation.

Mr. Speaker, this is not the first time this type of thing has happened this year. However, most are not as long as this particular outage, but they do happen. This spring, we had a number of power outages.

Mr. Speaker, it almost seems like these lines are not waterproof or something, as most outages do happen when it is raining out. I realize the Power Corporation does have accidents from time to time on the lines, but there must be something that can prevent or reduce this from occurring often.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the responsible Minister a question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 394-13(4): Rae-edzo Power Outages
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark.

Member's Statement 395-13(4): Small Community Employment Opportunities
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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be using my first language so I think you need to wear your earpiece here. Thank you.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the people in the Northwest Territories get government employment and employment from private sectors in each community. But we all know, Mr. Speaker, that all of our people cannot obtain government jobs and jobs from the private sectors because there is a high unemployment rate in the communities. Whenever there is a job coming to smaller communities, the people that obtain these jobs try to keep them as long as they can, which is understandable. Madam Groenewegen mentioned people who commercial fish that can obtain some money when they have a short term employment and some people do trapping and carving to make money to live.

We all know, today, that the government, during their fiscal restraint do not have any money to provide for the people. We have to try to look for other ways of getting some money. As well, there are hunters and trappers and fishermen that are trying to get income by doing their traditional way of life. We have to try to help those people.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to encourage my fellow Members that we should try to help out people who are trying to make money by their traditional way of life, because they have a need as well. We have to help them out because the government does not provide for them and they are trying to provide for themselves. We have to support them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

Member's Statement 395-13(4): Small Community Employment Opportunities
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus.

Member's Statement 396-13(4): Hmcs Yellowknife Launching
Item 2: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about HMCS Yellowknife, which will be officially launched tomorrow on June 5, 1997.

Mr. Speaker, in the late 1980s, Canada's navy recognized the need for an effective coastal defence platform that would complement Canada's combat capable, general purpose maritime forces. The navy decided to build 12 maritime coastal defence vessels, MCDVs, to meet this requirement. The first of the new kingston class, HMCS Kingston, was launched in August 1995. Kingston class vessels are now joining the fleet about every four months, but the project is scheduled for completion in 1999.

The primary role of the kingston class MCDVs is coastal surveillance and patrol. This involves a wide variety of missions, including general naval operations and exercises, search and rescue, and support to other government departments for various activities such as law enforcement, resource protection and pollution control.

Mr. Speaker, a few days ago, in preparing for the launch, a ship slipped into the water on her own. Fortunately, no damage was done and HMCS Yellowknife is now ready for her official launch. I believe this is a good sign. HMCS Yellowknife is already acting like a true northerner, getting on with things and not waiting to stand on ceremony. I am sure this House joins me in wishing good luck to HMCS Yellowknife and that she has a long and distinguished career in the Canadian navy. Thank you.

Member's Statement 396-13(4): Hmcs Yellowknife Launching
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Member's Statement 397-13(4): Accomplishments Of Iqaluit Residents
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak a little about the accomplishments of residents from Iqaluit. Too many times we raise issues of concerns, complaints, et cetera. Today, I would like to end this sitting on a most positive note.

Last week one of the Pages here in the Assembly from Iqaluit was Sean Doherty. Sean is a grade seven student at Inuksuk High School and was one of three students who represented the NWT at the Great Canadian Geography Quiz in Ottawa. Sean did very well.

Three Iqaluit high school students were selected to participate in the architecture, engineering, and computer program. Erin Levy, Jean Simpson, and Denis Plaza will travel here to Yellowknife in July for orientation. Congratulations.

Donna Kenneally, Jimmy Arlooktoo, Ineak Ipeelie, Edward Flowers, and Jason Carpenter, all students of Nunavut Arctic College in Iqaluit, flew to Latvia to learn about the history, culture and language of the country and then to New York where they represented the country Latvia at the model United Nations conference. They were excellent ambassadors of the north and thanks go out to David Willman, Lin Moss, Derek Cutler, and Ramon Deluca, who were the staff accompanying the students.

The first all women's expedition to the north pole was completed successfully. Members of the women's polar relay expedition were led by Iqaluit's own Matty McNair. Congratulations, Matty.

Moosa and Pitsula Akavak of Iqaluit completed a walk with their children from Lake Harbour to Iqaluit. Mr. Speaker, Moosa and Pitsula were walking to raise awareness of family issues. They are excellent role models for all northerners.

Nunatsiaq news, based in Iqaluit, recently won two awards for best editorial and second best for colour on a tabloid page. Over 145 community newspapers competed in that competition. Congratulations.

Finally, I know that all Members of this House know long time northerner, and my good friend, Mr. Gordon Rennie. Gordon celebrated his 50th year of employment with the Northwest Company, formerly the Hudson Bay Company, last month.

Mr. Speaker, Gordon is still working every day at the northern convenience store in Iqaluit and I know Members of this House will join me in congratulating Gordon and wishing him and his family good health and hopefully soon, a happy and quiet retirement.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 397-13(4): Accomplishments Of Iqaluit Residents
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco. Members' statements. Mr. Henry.

Member's Statement 398-13(4): Congratulations To Rotary Award Winner Tony Whitford
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June 3rd, 1997

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier today Ms. Thompson announced the 1997 NWT Outstanding Voluntary Service Award which was presented to Mr. Alan Falconer of Yellowknife. I would also like to recognize another Yellowknife gentleman who in this past week also received a very prestigious award. The award, Mr. Speaker, is known as a Paul Harris award, sponsored by Rotary International. Rotary International is a voluntary service club with over 75,000 clubs in every country of the world except China. It has over one million members. The recipient of the award was Mr. Tony Whitford who is well known to a lot of the residents of the NWT. This award has been presented to rotarians and non-rotarians over the past number of years and the recipients presently stand at around 6,000 members. Other recipients of the award, Mr. Speaker, were the Reverend and Mrs. Bailey from Yellowknife, Mr. Barb Bromley and Alan Falconer also received this award a number of years ago. Mr. Speaker, I would ask you to join with me and other Members in congratulating Mr. Tony Whitford on the award.

Member's Statement 398-13(4): Congratulations To Rotary Award Winner Tony Whitford
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, oral questions. Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 521-13(4): Basic Income Support Funding
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a reply to a question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on June 2nd. Mr. Speaker, it is not the Department's role to assume responsibility for the payment of income support Program clients' bills. The income support Program promotes financial responsibility and financial accountability, and provides support and training for clients to help them become financially responsible and accountable.

There are three circumstances in which service providers are given a client's income support cheque directly. In the case where there has been a demonstrated and severe money management problem, the worker may directly pay the local supplier. Secondly, a community, through a hamlet or band resolution, may direct the income support worker to pay the supplier for all clients. Also, the department can pay a guardian on behalf of a person with a disability that prevents their informed decision-making. In addition, there is an appeal process for income support clients if they feel mistreated by this process.

Mr. Speaker, three manuals related to the Income Support Program have been developed which provide extensive support for field and management personnel. These manuals were jointly developed by the Departments of Education, Culture and Employment, Justice, and Health and Social Services. They provide income support staff with the information they need to complete their tasks. The training manuals are competency-based, self-directed and community-oriented and will soon be available through the Internet. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 521-13(4): Basic Income Support Funding
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Ms. Thompson.

Return To Question 510-13(4): Land Development Policy
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two returns. One was asked by Mr. Krutko on May 30, 1997 on land development policy. The western land claims that were settled allowed for the land claim groups, Inuvialuit, Gwich'in, Sahtu, to select lands within municipal boundaries for their ownership and use. These were called municipal lands in the claims. These are not lands owned by the municipalities. Lands within municipalities that were not selected by the claimants have remained under the administration and control of the commissioner or the federal crown.

In Nunavut, TFN was allowed to select land within municipal boundaries as part of settling the land claim. The Nunavut Claim was unique in that it designated the municipality as the owner and administrator of titled land within its boundary. As a result of this, each Nunavut community has had to develop a bylaw regulating how land is to be administered and developed. The fact that most Nunavut hamlets now have land administration bylaws in place has made the GNWT Land Development Capital Program redundant. It is expected that communities administering their own land will also access their own resources through collected lease revenues or borrowing funds to do land development.

In the Inuvik region, the GNWT still administers land on behalf of the communities and the Land Development Capital Program is still in place. There is, however, interest from communities to acquire and administer their own land particularly in Aklavik and Tuktoyaktuk. Should this interest remain, it will be possible for these hamlets to obtain ownership and control over lands and draft and implement land administration bylaws. This would also make the Land Development Capital Program obsolete in these communities just as in Nunavut, and the western communities would then access funds either from collected fees or through long term borrowing to maintain a supply of land in their community.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 513-13(4): Land Development And Pricing Policies
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

I have another return, asked by Mr. Steen on June 2, 1997 regarding land development and pricing policies. When the hamlet owns the land within its community boundaries, it can charge whatever it wants for lease fees on existing lots. The less it charges, the less revenue it has. However, in Tuktoyaktuk, the hamlet does not yet own the land. It is Commissioner's land and MACA administers it on behalf of the hamlet. The Land Pricing Policy applies and the minimum lease rental is generally $600 per year. There are some exceptions, such as for seniors and non profit organizations, where the rental is reduced.

Each community that wishes to take over ownership and control over the land must develop its own pricing rules, which are set out in a land administration bylaw. This process is currently underway in Tuktoyaktuk. Until ownership is transferred however, the land will remain under the administration of the GNWT and the $600 minimum lease rental will apply. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 486-13(4): Clyde River Adult Education Centre
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Enuaraq on May 28th regarding the Clyde River Adult Education Centre. A Clyde River contractor known as Qanait Construction Ltd., requested a negotiated contract for the construction of the Adult Education Centre in Clyde River. In January, 1997, after following a normal practice for negotiated contracts, Cabinet directed Public Works and Services to negotiate the contract subject to Article 24 of the Nunavut Final Agreement.

The intent to negotiate was advertised and two other firms expressed an interest in the construction of the building. As for our deadlines on negotiated contracts in Nunavut, the negotiations were then stopped and the three firms were then invited to submit bids. The tender closed on May 16, 1997, and the bids are still being analyzed, so the contract has not yet been awarded. Thank you.