This is page numbers 669 - 702 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library. The word of the day was chairman.

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Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine, Honourable Goo Arlooktoo, Mr. Levi Barnabas, Honourable Charles Dent, Mr. Enuaraq, Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Evaloarjuk, Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen, Mr. Henry, Honourable Stephen Kakfwi, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Miltenberger, Honourable Don Morin, Honourable Kelvin Ng, Mr. Ningark, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Ootes, Mr. Picco, Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Steen, Honourable Manitok Thompson, Honourable John Todd.

Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Minister's Statement 50-13(5): Tabling Of The Fourth Annual Report, Nunavut Land Claim Agreement
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Minister responsible for Nunavut Transition Planning, I will be tabling the Fourth Annual Report on Implementation of the Nunavut Land Claim Agreement today. The land claim requires that the Nunavut implementation Panel report annually on all implementation activities related to the Nunavut Final Agreement. This report covers the period between April, 1996 and March, 1997 and is a summary of activities undertaken by government, NTI and the various organizations created under the land claim. The implementation panel is made up of representatives of the GNWT, the federal government and two representatives of NTI. In addition to being tabled in this Legislative Assembly, the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs will also table a copy in the House of Commons. As well, the president of NTI will present it to the board of Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Minister's Statement 50-13(5): Tabling Of The Fourth Annual Report, Nunavut Land Claim Agreement
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq.

Member's Statement 192-13(5): Pangnirtung School Funding
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, education is important to the success of all young people. For most people, education is the only route to success. With the high rate of unemployment, especially in remote communities, education is even more important. I would like to bring to the attention of the House, the shortage of qualified teaching staff in Pangnirtung. The community is especially short of classroom support assistants who address the needs of special students. The education council in Pangnirtung needs more funding to properly staff the growing number of students and to provide adequate programming. Fortunately, this fall, the Attagoyuk School that was destroyed by fire, will reopen. Currently students from Attagoyuk School are sharing facilities with the remaining school, and using other available facilities within the community. However, the student population has grown since the new school was first planned, and as a result, more facilities are needed.

The community also uses the school facilities for meetings, courses and sports. With the final phase of construction this summer, the government has a rare opportunity to add more needed space, staff and programs to the new school. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 192-13(5): Pangnirtung School Funding
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas.

Member's Statement 193-13(5): Inuit Employment Strategy
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the Inuit employment plans. We have a strategy funded with our partners, the federal government, called NUHRDS. This had enabled Inuit employees to train here in Yellowknife so that they can begin working after April 1, 1999 with the Nunavut goverment. Mr. Speaker, that is a good thing. The majority of these people being trained in the bureaucracy or working in offices. What are we doing for the trades and other occupations? Earlier the Member for Iqaluit and I asked about the trades programs for carpenters and other construction workers, for example. Later today, I will ask the Minister of Education for an update on provisions of Article 23. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

Member's Statement 193-13(5): Inuit Employment Strategy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger.

Member's Statement 194-13(5): Arctic College Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to briefly comment and recognize a program at Aurora College, Thebacha campus that I believe is a very interesting program and a very good one. Mr. Speaker, that program is the Management Studies Cooperative Program. While the Management Studies Program is one of the oldest the college has to offer, the Cooperative Studies Program is a new approach that allows a link in a work relationship to develop

between the college, the student and the business community. It depends very heavily on the cooperation of the NWT business community. I understand to date that the response has been very good. Mr. Speaker, normally when you go to college you learn a lot of theory and when you enter the working world, you are told you have lots of theory but you do not have enough experience. This program allows students to develop a blend of experience and theory while they are achieving a management diploma. I would like to commend the college, the board of governors and the business community for supporting and seeing the benefit for this kind of very innovative program. I think it has a lot of benefit not only to the people in my riding, but for college students across the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

Member's Statement 194-13(5): Arctic College Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco.

Member's Statement 195-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation is the regional birthright corporation owned by the Qikiqtani Inuit Association. QC is mandated to pursue and develop economic and employment opportunities on behalf of the shareholders, the Inuit of the region. QC, along with 16 other licence holders, has been actively involved in the northern shrimp fishery since being issued a northern shrimp licence in 1987. One of the principle benefits derived from the licence is training, hiring and advancing Inuit crew aboard the offshore trawlers. Each fishing year, over 50 Inuit are hired to work on the vessels, returning roughly $1.5 million in crew share alone to the northern economy.

Royalties received by QC are reinvested, not only in the fisheries, but to other projects, such as real estate development and numerous other economic development initiatives. In 1997, six northern licence holders representing Nunavut, Nunavik and Labrador decided that a representative organization is needed and formed the Northern Coalition. Members of this organization are the Labrador Fishermen's Union Northern Shrimp Company, Labrador Inuit Development Corporation, Torngat Fish Producers Cooperative, Makavik Corporation and the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation.

The federal Minister of Fisheries and Oceans is expected to make an announcement within a month to increase in the overall total allowable catch, a substantial increase in the shrimp fishing areas (SFA) 4, 5 and 6 quotas. The Northern Coalition has been lobbying the Minister that adjacent organizations should have priority access to this resource. Later today, Mr. Speaker, I will ask the Minister for RWED or appropriate Ministers, questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 195-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Todd.

Member's Statement 196-13(5): Keewatin Health Care Services
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as the MLA for Keewatin Central to speak on the matter of health care services in the Keewatin. Mr. Speaker, I recognize the difficulties that have been experienced over the last several months and understand the concerns of my constituents. Adequate health care facilities are fundamental to the well being of all northerners. I am pleased that Percy Kabloona, former mayor of Whale Cove, has been appointed as acting chair of the Keewatin Regional Health and Social Services Board. I am also pleased that the board has moved quickly to appoint Mr. Chris Keeley as the interim executive director. Chris is a former resident of Rankin Inlet, who has worked in senior positions with the GNWT. Chris' wife Martha, was the head nurse at the Rankin Inlet Health Centre for several years. I am confident that Chris has the background and knowledge needed to move swiftly to ensure the needs of Keewatin people for adequate health care facilities are met.

I also commend the Keewatin Regional Health and Social Services Board, working together with the Sakku Development Corporation for their efforts to put a major, multi-purpose health care facility in the Keewatin. As MLA, it is my intention to provide whatever support I can to make this facility a reality for the people of the Keewatin. I would also like to take this opportunity, Mr. Speaker, to congratulate the hamlet of Arviat, for taking the initiative to look at the construction of their health facility through a Public/Private Partnership.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to publicly acknowledge and thank my good and loyal friend, Mrs. Bette Palfrey for her commitment and dedication to the provision of health care for the people of Keewatin. Bette has the distinction of being the longest serving chairperson of the Keewatin Health Board. During a six and one half year tenure, Bette was instrumental in moving the board forward on a number of important issues. Recent health care problems notwithstanding, Keewatin residents owe Bette a debt of gratitude for all her effort and personal sacrifice over the years.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, there is still much work to be done to bring the quality of health care services back to the level the people of the Keewatin deserve and expect. I have full confidence in Minister Ng in achieving exactly that. I believe that the right steps are being taken now to ensure that happens as soon as possible. Thank you.

--Applause

Member's Statement 196-13(5): Keewatin Health Care Services
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes.

Member's Statement 197-13(5): Canadian Blood Services
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last month the Canadian Blood Services advertised for nominations to its inaugural board of directors. This board is replacing the Red Cross as the main supplier of blood and blood products in this country in the wake of the tragic AIDS and hepatitis infections of the 1980's. Developing a new national blood supply system follows the release of the Krever report last year. We have a chance to place a northerner on the board of directors, someone who is familiar with the unique health care needs of

this vast territory. This appointment is very important to us. So often, national organizations do not have representatives from the north. Our concerns are often overlooked by boards more accustomed to big city demands. Our health Minister is one of the people charged with developing this new system.

Provincial and territorial Health Ministers are receiving nominations for suitable candidates for the new board. A successful nominee will have to have broad knowledge of health and blood related matters, sound judgment, superior problem solving skills, strong leadership and an ability to work as part of a team. It will fall to the board to make the new blood services operation a success and there will be a lot of work involved in getting it going.

The new board will be charged with making sure a tragedy like the one investigated by Mr. Justice Krever does not happen again. Northerners have a lot to contribute to this board. We were fortunate that few of our people suffered through the tainted blood scandal. Yet, we are well aware of the difficulties of delivering high quality care under adverse conditions.

I have nominated a constituent for the Minister's consideration, and I encourage others to add to the list so we may be assured of northern representation on this national agency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 197-13(5): Canadian Blood Services
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko.

Member's Statement 198-13(5): Benefits Of The Traditional Economy
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about the economics of a lot of the smaller communities where a lot of people depend on their personal skills and the crafts they have been able to generate by sewing, making snowshoes, tanning moosehides, harvesting wildlife, fish and caribou meat to sell, not only locally, but also to other communities in other regions.

Mr. Speaker, I believe this is one sector of the economy where we have to start seriously looking at the opportunities it offers, not only to big business, but to the whole economy of the north.

Mr. Speaker, a number of people in these communities depend on this skill in which they sew slippers or jackets such as the one I wear in the House, and also in relation to the crafts, being able to make snowshoes, tents and other products that come from the north. We have to devolve this government to establishing a separate institution within economic development to work along with the aboriginal organizations and the aboriginal communities to look at the whole industry as a stand-alone industry, where it has to be able to look at the economic programs that we devolve to the community, such as income support, economic development programs, community wellness and build in the aboriginal component to realize that a lot of our aboriginal communities and aboriginal women depend on this sector to generate revenues to sustain themselves and to become independent.

One thing that we are lacking, Mr. Speaker, is the whole area of marketing. Later on, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister of Economic Development questions on this matter. I believe it is an initiative that does not only help one particular community or one particular riding, it helps all the people of the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 198-13(5): Benefits Of The Traditional Economy
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca.

Member's Statement 199-13(5): Tobacco Tax Letters Of Credit
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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to address a concern one of my constituents brought to my attention. It is my understanding that our government is always complimenting itself, what a great job it has done in job creation and business development, however, at the same time, refusing some of these new or expanding businesses from doing the business that this government may have given dollars to start up its operations. The reason I say this is because of a thing called, tobacco tax. It is now a policy, I understand, to demand from a retailer who wants to sell cigarettes a letter of credit for an amount that the Department of Finance estimates.

A constituent of mine just applied for a permit to sell cigarettes in his new store. This is a business that has been in operation for at least the past ten years and has decided the time was right for an expansion. When he received his reply, it informed him that he would have to come up with a $5,000 letter of credit. He called and was told to reapply, which he did, and then he received a notice saying that he now needed a $12,000 letter of credit. Mr. Speaker, all this company, like most small businesses of this type, wants to do is sell cigarettes to make a profit, not to go broke to the government for trying to do their business.

How much do special events have to pay this government for selling cigarettes at their events? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

Member's Statement 199-13(5): Tobacco Tax Letters Of Credit
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Member's Statement 200-13(5): Expressions Of Support
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Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like Mr. Roland, I also had the chance this weekend to touch base with many of my constituents. Mr. Speaker, I would like to say today that I am so proud of the communities that I represent. I was overwhelmed with the outpouring of support and encouragement that was shown to me. By far, the majority of people in my constituency believe that the upholding of integrity and morality is an undertaking which is always in season and most assuredly a worthy cause. I felt like an athlete returning to her home town after winning some prestigious recognition. Everyone, from people on the street, at the airport, people at the Chamber banquet, were so kind and supportive.

I also want to thank the good people from many other areas in the north for their calls, faxes and letters of support. Rankin Inlet, Arviat, Yellowknife and Inuvik are just some of the places that I have heard from. I am especially proud of my constituents who have been brave or, should I say, have had the guts and backbone to put their signatures on the following letter sent to the Legislative Assembly last week. This is how it read, Mr. Speaker.

We, the constituents of Hay River MLA, Jane Groenewegen, offer our support concerning her recent endeavours in the Legislature. It is apparent that the current government has a serious problem with the appearance of collusion. On our behalf, Mrs. Groenewegen is working to make this government more transparent and accountable to its constituents. To this end, we fully support our MLA, and expect Cabinet and Ordinary Members to afford Mrs. Groenewegen the respect she deserves by supporting her in this democratic process. As the residents of the Northwest Territories, we expect our politicians to conduct themselves in a responsible manner by being accountable to the people.

Mr. Speaker, I have had calls from business people who depend on this government for their very existence asking me if I would like them to provide me with a letter of support. For me, this is my job to speak and ask questions on behalf of my constituents, I am proud to do so. In the days ahead, I will be bringing forth questions on many other subjects that have been on the minds of my constituents and I will not let them down. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Member's Statement 200-13(5): Expressions Of Support
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Antoine.

Member's Statement 201-13(5): Western Arctic Aboriginal Tourism Conference
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, yesterday, after the Assembly was over, myself and Stephen Kakfwi, the Minister for RWED, flew to Fort Simpson. There is a meeting in Fort Simpson, Tuesday to Thursday, on Western Arctic Aboriginal Tourism which is the basis of the meeting. There are a lot of people there who work for tourism that all gathered for the meeting. The meeting is based on tourism in the western Arctic. I was quite thankful for all the participants at that meeting. There are a lot of people from all over the world who come to our country, like the western Arctic. They really want to come here to see the western Arctic. (Translation ends)

The goal is to build a user-friendly and profitable aboriginal tourism industry which is a very commendable approach. I think this is the first conference of its kind and I am very glad that it is in my home community of Fort Simpson. The objective is reaching a better understanding of the aboriginal tourism market, as well as examining ways that our aboriginal tourism products can and should be presented to the workplace. With that, Mr. Speaker, I look forward to the results of this conference and certainly the direction on how we in the Legislative Assembly can be of assistance to those people who are involved in this developing business sector of our economy. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

Member's Statement 201-13(5): Western Arctic Aboriginal Tourism Conference
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mahsi. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin.

Return To Oral Question 164-13(5): Authority For Lease Approvals
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. O'Brien on January 30th, regarding the authority for lease approvals. I wish to inform my colleagues that, under sections 13 and 43 of the Financial Administration Act, a Minister may delegate to a deputy minister or public officer of his department the expenditure or contract authority (signing authority) with monetary limits and conditions to meet the business needs of the position. Copies of the Financial Administration Act are available to the Members and the public.

Further guidelines are given in Financial Administration Manual Directive 802-1 which outlines numerous provisions for the designation of officers and the delegation and application of signing authority. The financial administration guidelines state the financial signing authority limits of a position should not exceed business needs. Therefore it would be normal duty of a public officer to initiate and approve long-term property leases. Later today I will table Financial Administration Manual Directive 802-1. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Oral Question 164-13(5): Authority For Lease Approvals
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine.

Return To Oral Question 244-13(5): GNWT Office Lease Renewals
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Jim Antoine Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return asked by Mr. Krutko on February 6, 1998 regarding the GNWT office lease renewals. The four Yellowknife office leases renewed in the past two years are for the following periods:

- Centre Square floors 6, 7, 8 5 years

- Lahm Ridge Tower 8 years

- Northern United Place 10 years

- Professional Building 5 years

Return To Oral Question 244-13(5): GNWT Office Lease Renewals
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko.

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to recognize a beautiful elder from my home community of Fort McPherson who has been an inspiration and a light of hope for myself and also supportive in keeping me in line, making sure that I do my job to the best of my ability and someone I refer to as mom. I would like to recognize Rosie Firth of Fort McPherson.

--Applause

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly, mom. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in reference to my earlier Member's statement on the shrimp quotas to be allocated by the federal government, has the RWED department been involved or in contact with the federal Department of Fisheries on the shrimp allocation for waters adjacent to Nunavut? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have no information available at my desk to respond to the question. I will unfortunately, have to take it as notice. Thank you.

Return To Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
Question 264-13(5): Northern Shrimp Fishery Quotas
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger.

Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. It is in regard to the Management Studies Cooperative Program. Could the Minister indicate and elaborate on the type of businesses involved in this type of cooperative program and the work experience students would be expected to obtain.

Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, most businesses and government departments could take advantage of this program. As I understand it, there have been 25 verbal commitments to take on students from the Management Studies Program with about half of those being from government departments, the others being from the private sector. The private sector could be anything from Northern Stores to any other business that would have a suitable opening. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

Supplementary To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether the length of the program has changed as a result of adding the work experience component or are they given adequate credits so that the length of program still stays the same? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the program is now set up so the student has an option of completing the entire program in two years on campus or spending three years in the program. Two of the six semesters would then be completed with the student working for an employer and earning some money along the way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger.

Supplementary To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Michael Miltenberger

Michael Miltenberger Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate what the enrolment is? What indications of interest have you had from students? It sounds like the business community is buying in. Is there a strong interest from the student population? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The interest among the business community and government departments has been very good, very positive. We are hoping to find placements for 30 students. We have, as I said, verbal commitments for 25. It would appear that we are well on the way to achieving the goal. I believe there are approximately 17 students enroled in the first year and 21 students enroled in the second year of the program. As I understand it, Mr. Speaker, the first-year students will be given priority for the choice of jobs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
Question 265-13(5): Management Studies Cooperative Program
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq.

Question 266-13(5): Pangnirtung Teacher Shortage
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Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated in my Member's statement there is an extreme shortage of teaching staff in Pangnirtung. Could the Minister of Education update this House as to what his department is planning to do about it? Thank you.

Question 266-13(5): Pangnirtung Teacher Shortage
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 266-13(5): Pangnirtung Teacher Shortage
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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of there being a severe shortage of teachers in Pangnirtung. I do not know that the situation there is any different than in other communities. As I informed the Member in response to an earlier question, the department

does keep back some money from the formula grants to ensure that following the October 31st official school population numbers, the grants do reflect the number of the students enroled. As well, schools that have exceeded their projected enrolment by, I believe it is six or eight percent, Mr. Speaker, are entitled to apply to the department for extra funding to compensate for that fact. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 266-13(5): Pangnirtung Teacher Shortage
Question 266-13(5): Pangnirtung Teacher Shortage
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko.

Question 267-13(5): Support For The Craft Industry
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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism regarding my Member's statement. In light of the individual, I recognized, Rosie Firth. Rosie is receiving a pension and she has been widowed for 16 years. One way that Rosie was able to sustain herself was by sewing. She has been able to develop such a skill and a craft of sewing that her work is displayed in Ottawa and in Hull, Quebec. Mr. Speaker, when I talk about the whole sector of community, regardless if it is carving or sewing or basically having a skill, that is worth something. I think for people in the north, especially in the small communities, a lot of them depend on whatever little income they get from this activity.

Mr. Speaker, I feel this government should seriously look at developing internally some policy or separate portfolio to deal with the craft industry on its own, whether it is carving or sewing. I would like to ask the Minister, is there the possibility of establishing a committee or working along with the aboriginal organizations and communities to develop such a structure within the economic framework of this government?

Question 267-13(5): Support For The Craft Industry
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development, Mr. Kakfwi.

Return To Question 267-13(5): Support For The Craft Industry
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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the Member is making a suggestion which we are prepared to look at. In the past, what we have found is that the old Department of Economic Development and Tourism and the NWT Development Corporation has not invested sufficient time and energy on the marketing side of establishing businesses. We spend a lot of money creating jobs, making products, but without sufficient thought and planning on what type of products we should be producing, what type of a market is actually out there, and how can we make our products line up with the market that we identify.

We have reorganized the NWT Development Corporation, shored up the operations of most of the subsidiaries. We have taken the marketing side, Arctic Wholesalers, the Arctic Canada Foods and Arctic Canada Gift Boutiques and just created one body. That body has been mandated to look at the marketing and sales, clean up the overstocked inventory we have and to look for markets. Markets for handicrafts and for the many products we are presently producing to assess if they are the type of goods and the quality of goods that we can market and where they might be. That is the work we have been doing. If there are additional ways in which we can get support and involvement from communities, operators and producers; then we would be prepared to look at it. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the whole area of marketing, I believe that is one area that is lacking in a lot of the small communities, where a lot of these individuals have to market their products on their own. In the case of the Mackenzie Delta, they have a craft sale in Inuvik, I believe just before Christmas, in which this one way of doing it. If there is a way this government can start assisting with the marketing and finding areas within the economic structures laid out with regard to the marketing strategy or looking at the whole initiative of allocating funds to regional organizations to have these regional shows, so they can have more of them than just once a year so they are able to display and sell their products. Is there anything within the Economic Development Program now that can assist them in that area? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have spent the last couple of years shoring up the operations of the NWT Development Corporation. We have amalgamated the previous three departments and formed this new one. We have come to a point where we have the staff mostly in place. We have the capability now to move into the communities and the programs are there to assist and to be directed to areas where they need some help. As the Member has pointed out, marketing, sales and promotion of our products, is one area we need to focus on. I have done a little bit of work and provided some resources to the NWT Development Corporation to start work in this area. The work to date has been promising. We have started to line up markets we think over the next year can promote the products we have been historically producing and perhaps even moving into new areas, products and new ways to cut the cost of the products that we have. If there are people in the communities who want to get directly involved in this area of work for those people who want to get training in this type of area, we are more than willing to work with them. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is regarding the communities and the aboriginal organizations mentioned in my statement about the possibility of formulating some sort of a committee which will be made up of the Department of Economic Development and interested communities to start looking at planning the possibility of

formulating some sort of a cooperative or something through this government and the Aboriginal Development Corporation or the aboriginal communities to find a way to look at crafts as one industry on its own so we can market it as an aboriginal product so that it is also supported by the Aboriginal Development Corporation, this government and the aboriginal community.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Stephen Kakfwi Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year we announced that we were and have developed the economic framework. In that framework, there is a sector which deals with arts and crafts. The intent of developing the framework was to allow Members, communities and members of the public to judge for themselves, to assess for themselves whether or not the programs and the resources that we allocate in support of that sector are sufficient. If it is deficient in the view of Members of this House, for instance, they would then have the basis on which to do a critique but also to make suggestions. As a Minister, I have said I want it to be transparent; I want it to be available so Members can look at it.

The Member is focusing on that and I appreciate it. If the suggestion he is making has merit, we would be prepared look at it if that is the way we should move to vitalize, even more than promote that particular sector. Those are the kind of ideas we are looking for and it was the intent of laying out the economic framework. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.

Question 268-13(5): Inuit Employment Plans
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As per my Member's statement earlier this afternoon, I would like to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment if he can update this House on the some of the areas covered under Article 23 implemented by the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 268-13(5): Inuit Employment Plans
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment, Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the requirements of Article 23 was the Government of the Northwest Territories departments publish Inuit employment plans with the goal of achieving 50 percent Inuit employment by 1999 and 85 percent by 2003. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment coordinated the work of pulling every department's plan together and publishing them in one large book. The first annual report on how departments are doing on the Inuit employment plans has been completed and shared with NTI and our partners in the process. It is now being translated and I am hoping to be able to distribute that report shortly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are trades programs like ones offered in Fort Smith, covered under Article 23? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is Article 23 refers to the representative work force for the government of Nunavut. Therefore, it refers specifically to the departments of that government being prepared to ensure the government as it is set up, has a representative workforce. It would not apply specifically to programs run by the colleges, but instead, to ensuring the workforce is representative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Question 269-13(5): Update On Contract Policy And Request For Proposals Guidelines
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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Premier. Last March, a year ago approximately, Mr. Speaker, this House passed a motion on the policy on non-competitive contracts and it was seconded by Mr. Roland of Inuvik. To clarify the government's position on government wide non-competitive contracts by providing a draft policy on non competitive contracts to the standing committee of this Assembly by August 15, 1997.

Then on October 24, 1997, we passed a further motion to review the guidelines and procedures for requests for proposals. It called on the government to review the Government of the Northwest Territories guidelines and procedures requesting the awarding of contracts through requests for proposals. It was seconded by the honourable Member from Iqaluit, Mr. Picco. Could the Premier tell us what the status of those motions are and what action is being taken to provide the information?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier. Two questions.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The standing committee does have the information already. We could send another copy to the Member if he has not received it on negotiated contracts. Request for proposals, we are doing that work. We are working with the NWT construction industry to work on request for proposals, and like I said yesterday, or the day before in this House, I am not too sure, just recently anyhow, we will get that done fairly quickly. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary,

Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I noted yesterday that the Premier stated that they were working with the NWT construction industry. Does he mean the NWT Construction Association, or who does he mean?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin.

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The NWT Construction Association is one part of the industry. We also talked to other people in industry. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier enlighten us a little further as to exactly what they are requesting from the industry or the association?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin. Did you hear the question?

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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

I think so. He asked what are we asking them for? It is for input into redrafting the request for proposals. They have some concerns as Members have raised. Some people who apply for a request for proposals do not know why they lost and there are some other issues that have been raised there as well. We are trying to address that. Thanks.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Roland.

Question 270-13(5): Custom Adoption Commissioner For Inuvik
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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, it has been a number of months now since I last questioned the Minister on a custom adoption officer or commissioner. In Inuvik, we lost our custom adoption commissioner a number of months ago. I was told the Minister was seeking names or nominations for the position. I would like to know if he moved ahead with that and will we be seeing a person put into this position soon?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services, Mr. Ng.

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Kelvin Ng Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, late last week I might have signed off for a custom adoption commissioner for his community. I will make sure that is the case and if not, exactly what the status is of the Inuvik representation. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien.

Question 271-13(5): Decentralized Nunavut Government
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February 9th, 1998

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for division planning. Mr. Speaker, in the last few weeks there have been a number of questions and comments about the decentralized model as it pertains to division and the transfer of positions to various communities in Nunavut, particularly Arviat and Baker Lake. Yesterday, I believe we heard the Minister indicate there is a delay in the construction of some of the units, but for the most part, NCC indicates they are on schedule with their construction.

Mr. Speaker, my main concern is, given the fact that we are on schedule for the construction of these units to house office space and housing units, at what point would this House receive a detailed plan as to when these jobs would be transferred to the communities, that means Arviat, Baker Lake and the other communities in the eastern Arctic? We know the office space, for example, in Baker Lake, is not intended to be completed until the year 2000. When can we expect to receive a detailed plan of a schedule as to when these jobs will be transferred to the various communities? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Division Secretariat, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In discussing the matter with my honourable colleague, Mr. Arlooktoo, he advises there are discussions underway right now between all parties, both Interim Commissioner's office, ourselves and NTI. We are fairly confident the Interim Commissioner will provide us with his implementation plan at the end of March. When we get this plan, we will be only too happy to share it with all the Members and the public at large. I would hope that in that plan he would show, as we did in the fall of 1997, where the jobs are going to go, when they are going to go and who is going to go there.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister provide any assurance that the original plans that were laid under Footprints 2 indicating where jobs were going, if we are going to stay the course with this or will there be a change in focus or scheduling? A lot of the communities are waiting and they anticipate these jobs that they have been waiting for, for many, many years will be in place, sometime after 1999 or the year 2000. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

The position of this government has been consistent, Mr. Speaker. We have supported the NIC, the Nunavut Implementation Commissioner's report from the very beginning, Footprints 2, and supported decentralized government. We have always qualified it by saying assuming that there is adequate dollars, et cetera, there for that to happen. We are just one party at the table. There is a desire and a will to do a decentralized government. I have not heard anything to the contrary in discussions that have been undertaken over the last three or four months. I believe, there are going to be some announcements soon about some senior management team that the Interim Commissioner is going to recruit. It is a positive step and we will, perhaps, get moving much more quickly in the implementation plans which I am assuming will include some form of decentralization.

This government's position has been consistent that we support it. So many dollars are there. I am confident as the Minister of Finance and the Minister responsible for the overall coordination of division they will be there. It really is, as I said to an earlier question, we are but one party at the table. My understanding is Mr. Anawak has agreed to provide his implementation plan by the end of March. I am sure in that, hopefully, all the questions that my honourable colleague legitimately asks, either will be in there or will be answered. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not my intention to get into a debate over this. I am just trying to get some clarification for the residents I represent. Just one further question, Mr. Speaker, in reference to Arviat. We know as far as the schedule goes, the office complex is supposed to start this spring and be finished the following year. Would it be fair to assume this community could then expect the positions to be transferred into Arviat so that various individuals could take up employment? For example, in Baker Lake where the office complex is not to start until the following year, would we assume these positions will not be transferred until after the office space or the complex is completed? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well, as I said, Mr. Speaker, in an ideal world, I am optimistic the Interim Commissioner's implementation plan, which he is developing in conjunction with all the parties, and input from all the parties, will be complete by the end of March. I hope, and I am confident that in that plan it will outline as I said, the pre-implementation to 1999. I hope it will have some scheduling and some time lines as to when the decentralized model will take place.

I imagine, it will be tied in somewhere, to the infrastructure deadlines, with offices or houses, et cetera. I would like to be able to unequivocally answer my colleague's question today. As I said, we are just one party at the table. I do not have the answers at this time, but I think we are close to getting an answer by the end of March. I believe we will be able to work with the parties to be able to move on, if you want, moving the bodies, as I said the other day, or moving the positions, some of the positions into the communities, so we can get some of the essential needs of the new government up and running.

Whether that will reflect in a decentralized model, I am not sure, because discussion is underway. The ultimate responsibility lies with the Interim Commissioner. I certainly hope so, and I would only be too happy as soon as I get any of this information, to share it with my colleague and the others in this House. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister indicated he had some informal discussions regarding the possible use of existing housing and new housing being built as we speak to be used as temporary office space until the new office complexes are completed. Would the Minister commit to engage in some formal discussions with the various parties to see if this is a possibility? Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas.

Question 272-13(5): Benefits Of A Decentralized Government
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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on my colleague's, Mr. O'Brien's questions to the same Minister. The question I have is, I find out that only the bigger communities are benefitting from the decentralized model that we have been talking about up to date. When they started to build these facilities, the smaller communities are not benefitting compared to these bigger communities.

How will this government ensure the smaller communities will benefit from that model? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 272-13(5): Benefits Of A Decentralized Government
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Division Secretariat, Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well, Mr. Speaker, the federal government in discussions with the territorial government and NTI appointed a commission two, three years ago, to determine an appropriate model for new government in Nunavut. That model was the NIC, Footprints 2 model, which all parties signed on and concurred with. I do not see any other further decentralization into the smaller communities whatsoever at this time.

Mr. Speaker, from a GNWT perspective, there are no discussions underway with respect to any further decentralization of the new Nunavut government. There is a clear and concise agreement that the Footprints 2 model is the one that is enacted at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary. Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we were talking about Footprints 2, they were talking about sophisticated technical equipment. Can the smaller communities be involved with the decentralized government when the communications system will be up to date? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

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John Todd Keewatin Central

Well, Mr. Speaker, I think it really would be inappropriate for me to make any comment beyond April 1, 1999. That is up to the new Legislature and the new elected people that will be there. But I would suggest to my honourable colleague that whoever the successful 19 candidates are for the new Nunavut government in February or March, 1999, they will have an opportunity because they will be the legitimate elected body of Nunavut to re-evaluate what is going on at that time. They may wish to, I am not suggesting, but they may wish to make appropriate adjustments. What I am saying at the present time, is this government and all parties support the Footprints 2 model. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry.

Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question, Mr. Speaker, is to the Minister of Justice, Mr. Arlooktoo. Some time ago in this House I had questioned the then Minister of Justice, Mr. Ng, regarding needed changes to the Labour Standards Act. My question to the Minster today is, at what stage are amendments to that act? What stage are they at within his department? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice, Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Recently the Member came to me with the question on what the Department of Justice was doing with regard to changes that are needed in the Labour Standards Act. There is a consensus out there that the Labour Standards Act is in need of some changes and overhaul. The Department of Justice had, indeed, looked into the issue and what needs to be changed and how long it would take, et cetera. I am told, unfortunately, in the next year because the legislative agenda is very full, we have to prioritize legislation we can deal with in the coming year.

The Labour Standards Act amendments that would be required would not be able to be done within the next year. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think everyone has recognized we are dealing with an act that is archaic. It is an extremely difficult act for staff to administer and difficult for the business community to deal with. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister is, is he making any start on preparing legislative changes to that act? Is nothing going to happen until a year from now? Does the world stop because we are looking at division? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A review has taken place on the Labour Standards Act on what changes, additions and improvements need to be made on the act itself. Work can continue fine tuning which parts of the act need changing. The actual drafting up and improving on the legislation will have to wait for another year, at least. As I said, we do recognize the need to make changes to the act. With the short time that we have in the 12 to 14 months before the end of this Assembly's life, we need to prioritize which legislation the government can deal with. Thank you.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry.

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Along the same lines, the Minister is telling us that they have to prioritize things that the government wishes to do. Can I ask the Minister then, if his department is working on any legislative changes required to put an act in place, the potential for the Keewatin pilot project? Is there any legislation in the works to make those things a reality? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

I am sorry, Mr. Henry, that is a new question. You can ask a supplementary to the Labour Standards Act. Mr. Henry.

Supplementary To Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask the Minister then, what new initiatives are this department working on which have taken the priority over something that affects all residents of the Northwest Territories, employers and employees? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated earlier the legislative agenda over the coming year is quite full. The government has provided the Standing Committee on Government Operations with a list of what the government hopes to achieve in terms of legislation in the coming year. I understand the committee was provided with an updated list as late as last week. I would be pleased to find a copy and provide it to the Member. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
Question 273-13(5): Labour Standards Act Amendments
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week there was a break-in at a pharmacy in Iqaluit. A large quantity of drugs were stolen. I would like to ask a question concerning the regulations on security and storage of prescription and over-the-counter drugs at pharmacies? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Justice, Mr. Arlooktoo.

Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not quite hear what the question was. As far as the safe storage of pharmaceutical products goes, those are covered under the Pharmacy Act of the NWT. Thank you.

Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
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Page 679

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under the Pharmacy Act of the Northwest Territories, does it outline in that act, about the safe storage, locked storage of prescription and over the counter drugs at retail pharmacies? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Section 13 of the Pharmacy Act prescribes the storage of substances for pharmaceutical products. It states that pharmaceutical products shall be stored in a place that is used only for that purpose that they be kept securely under lock at all times and to which only a pharmaceutical chemist has access. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, who monitors the act to ensure compliance at retail pharmacies? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to find that out and provide the information to the Member. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I could follow up my final supplemental question to the earlier one that the Minister is going to find out the answer to. I would like to know if that has been done on a regular basis? Is it done monthly or six months to show compliance? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have that information here either, but I would be pleased to provide it as part of the answer to the earlier questions also. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Question 274-13(5): Secure Storage Of Pharmaceuticals
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes.

Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 679

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask further questions of the Premier regarding a request for proposals. The Premier stated yesterday that they were working with the NWT Construction Association as well as industry to work out a protocol, an agreement of how we can accomplish that. I did speak with the NWT Construction Association, Mr. Speaker. While they have met with Mr. Todd, three or four weeks ago, their reference was made to RFPs and

how that is going to work. They certainly are not under the impression that they are working out a protocol or working on clarification of how requests for proposals are going to work. I wonder if the Premier could comment on that?

Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier.

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Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
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Don Morin Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have the Minister of Finance answer that question because he is the person who met with the NWT Construction Association. I will have him answer that. Thank you.

Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance, Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
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John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, it is always difficult to define what conversation took place between two parties if you are not at the table. Mr. Speaker, what is important here is that this government has made a clear commitment to try to answer some of the concerns that have been raised by industry with respect to request for proposals.

In my numerous discussions with Mr. Aho and Mr. Maddigan, who I hope, my honourable colleague was referring to, I will check with him later on this afternoon. I did indicate to him I would appreciate direct input from the NWT Construction Association as I have requested from others, with respect to some of the changes and the transparency they would require to give them the assurance that RFPs were a transparent and competitive process.

Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand what the Minister is saying. If I interpret his comments correctly he is talking about the P3. Are they working on the protocol for clarifying requests for proposals? Is the industry working on that?

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
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John Todd Keewatin Central

The P3 have but one new policy change in this government. They are existing RFPs. In my discussion as it related to the P3 that I indicated to the industry, they indicated some concern about RFPs, whether it was in P3 or in normal RFP processes. I am sure that Mr. Aho will confirm it in my conversation with him this afternoon because the implication is there now. I said to him at the time, could you provide me with some input as to what are your concerns and what does this government have to do to reassure you that the RFP process is a transparent and competitive one?

I think that is fairly straightforward, Mr. Speaker. I think we have asked the construction industry as we will ask others, et cetera, on their input on this important initiative that has been raised in this House on numerous occasions. Whether it relates to RFPs we tender or whether it relates to P3, it is not relevant. What is relevant is this government is seeking both industry's input and the NWT Construction Association is but one association that we are seeking input from with respect to policies that this government feels it needs further clarity to reassure the Members of this House that they are fair, transparent and equitable. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the meeting or meetings took place three to four weeks ago, but I have been informed by the executive director of the Construction Association that they have not had any other feed back. They have not been delegated to do anything on this matter. Perhaps the Minister has spoken to other people? The executive director certainly is not aware of the fact they need to develop processes for RFPs. I wonder if the Minister can tell us, has he been in touch or have his officials to formalize this request? We have a motion that was passed by this House, Mr. Speaker, that needs addressing, therefore my question. Thank you. I was getting to my question. I was rudely interrupted, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 680

Some Hon. Members

Shame. Shame.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

My question is has the request for clarification or input for the RFPs been made on an official basis to the NWT Construction Association?

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 680

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd Keewatin Central

I occasionally discuss things with lobbying bodies. I occasionally discuss things with their hired help. I normally speak to the president and to the elected board of directors of that organization.

--Applause

In my discussions with Mr. Aho and Mr. Maddigan, I had indicated to them on an oral basis that I would like their input as to the changes they would like to see with respect to RFPs. If they have not translated that back to their executive director who works for them, I am sorry, but I can not help that.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 680

Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Will the Minister send to the NWT Construction Association a formal request to have them have input on RFPs and how it should be processed and the

methodologies of use? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd Keewatin Central

If my honourable colleague wishes me to write a note to Mr. Aho and say further to our discussion with respect to RFPs and my desire for input from you as a construction association board of directors, I will be only to happy to do that. In fact, I have communicated clearly that I wish their input as the elected representatives of the NWT Construction Association.

Further Return To Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Question 275-13(5): Request For Proposals Protocol Agreement
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq.

Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister of Education. It is in regard to teaching staff in Pangnirtung. In 1992, the teaching positions in Pangnirtung were about 20 and in 1998, it is down to 14.5. Can the Minister tell my why this is happening? Thank you.

Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment. Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as all Members of this House know there has been an increase in pupil/teacher ratio as part of our formula changes to divisional education councils across the territories as a result of the reduction in transfer payments from the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq.

Supplementary To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister contact the Baffin Divisional Board of Education or the school in Pangnirtung to get the correct story on this? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am advised the department uses in their formula calculations an average pupil/teacher ratio of 18.3 students per teacher. According to the official enrolment figures that were provided by the Baffin Divisional Education Council through the Baffin region, the average pupil/teacher ratio is 17.9. This is lower than the average across the territories and by formula. I am further advised that using the official enrolment figures as of October 31, 1997, the pupil/teacher ratio in Pangnirtung is 16.2 pupils to one teacher, which is considerably lower than the average across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq.

Supplementary To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Tommy Enuaraq Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the pupil/teacher ratio in Pangnirtung is 16.2, I believe, that was three years ago, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Question 276-13(5): Reduction Of Pangnirtung Teachers
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq. Oral questions. Mr. Roland.

Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister responsible for Western Transition. Mr. Speaker, the Western Caucus put out a press release dealing with the number of Members for the upcoming election after division. I would like to know if the Minister for Western Transition sees the possibility of an Electoral Boundaries Commission going out before division to possibly prepare for any changes in the upcoming Assemblies after division? Thank you.

Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Western Transition Plan, Mr. Dent.

Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to talk to the Premier about my responsibilities. I had not realized I was also responsible for the Western Caucus. As I understand it, the Caucus has made a decision. There is not sufficient time to conduct an Electoral Boundaries Commission before the next election, Mr. Speaker.

Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Supplementary To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister responsible for the Western Transition, preparing us for upcoming Assemblies, I think the people would like to know what is entailed in preparing for that and one of the things is what the Assembly will look like after division. The Minister mentioned the timing of the Electoral Boundaries Commission, what is the normal timing of such a commission? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 681

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, typically, a boundaries commission would take approximately six months to do its work. Given the standard rules, any recommendations for changes to boundaries would have to be adopted by the Legislature usually 12 months before the subsequent election. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Further Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland.

Supplementary To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are there any possibilities of doing an Electoral Boundaries Commission before division comes about? Is there a possibility for any changes in that timing? Thank you.

Supplementary To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent.

Further Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Charles Dent

Charles Dent Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, technically the answer to that question would be yes. I believe that Caucus has made a political decision because of the number of items on our plate to try to get through before division and because of the constitutional process which is underway that it would be best not to embark on that process right now.

Further Return To Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Question 277-13(5): Western Electoral Boundaries Commission
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco.

Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question concerns the Condominium Act. I think it is under FMBS. Mr. Speaker, last year we had some minor changes to the Condominium Act. We still have a problem in Nunavut because of leased land. We cannot without a lot of red tape and logistic and legal problems construct condo units. I am wondering if the Minister has been looking into this? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board. Mr. Todd.

Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Strictly speaking, of course, it is a legal matter. It really falls under the jurisdiction of Justice, however, because it relates to staff housing I have been actively involved in it.

As I explained to my colleague earlier last week, there was an example of the dilemma that a number of people were in, in my home riding of Rankin Inlet where some changes had to be made to the act to allow people to purchase these row housing units and enable them to get ownership.

Some changes were made to the act, Mr. Speaker. If you remember, we did make some minor changes to bring about the sale of the row housing in Rankin Inlet because there were people who were interested in purchasing them. However, there are a number of other amendments that simply have got to be made to allow people the flexibility then to sell once they have bought. There are some difficulties there.

My understanding is, the Department of Justice is currently reviewing the Condominium Act and is looking at possible amendments we can bring forward. They are also looking at, for example, Ontario and BC's legislation. It is not the intent of this government to put blocks in the way of people wishing to purchase the units.

I believe the units my honourable colleague is talking about is the brown row housing. I believe that is what they call them in Iqaluit. We are hoping that, one, we can get the sale of these units done under the current amendments and that, two, if there are some other adjustments having to be made to improve the act and to give maximum flexibility to condominium owners. We want to try and move forward on that. That process is underway right now.

Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the sale of the row housing and the units in Rankin and my riding of Iqaluit was part of the problem with the Condominium Act. We also have the situation where contractors would like to build condominium units and, hopefully, alleviate some of the problem we have with social housing.

I am wondering if the Minister could inform the House at this time, indeed, the amendments that are being looked at in the Condominium Act? Do they also include new construction on leased land of condominium units? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

John Todd Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I am taking a quick look at my notes, I should add a note of caution to my honourable colleague with respect to legislative change. It is no different than the similar question asked by Mr. Henry to Mr. Arlooktoo earlier today. Our legislative agenda is full, Mr. Speaker. We have 14 short months left, I think, somewhere around there. Certainly, the intent would be to try to look at improvements that would permit full flexibility whether it is existing condominiums or new ones being built.

I do not think it would be fair for me to say today, we could get those amendments brought forward and in this House prior to April 1, 1999. I would caution my honourable colleague given the legislative agenda that we currently have, there may be some difficulties in doing that. Thank you. I suspect there is.

Further Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 682

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco.

Supplementary To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 683

Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have had some calls from contractors in my community concerning the ability to be able to do the condominium projects. I am wondering if the Minister could at least commit to the House and to this Member, indeed, if they could look at the amendments that are needed? I understand they can do that under an anomalous bill and grandfather from other jurisdictions. It is not unique legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Supplementary To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Todd.

Further Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 683

John Todd Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I am not suggesting it is unique legislation. What I was trying to say to my honourable colleague is, we will do what we can. I am cautioning him in terms of the level of priority that would have, given the legislative agenda that is currently on this legislator's future workload.

Yes, we are taking a preliminary look at it. It is not a priority. I have to be perfectly frank, right now. Certainly, we will take a look at it and see if there is some way that we could speed it up. It would be unfair to make any promises. Thank you.

Further Return To Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Question 278-13(5): Condominium Act Inadequacies
Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Question period is over. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Arlooktoo.

Tabled Document 39-13(5): The Implementation Of The Nunavut Land Claims Agreement, 1996-97 Annual Report
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 683

Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document, The Implementation of the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement, 1996-97 Annual Report. Thank you.

Tabled Document 39-13(5): The Implementation Of The Nunavut Land Claims Agreement, 1996-97 Annual Report
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 683

The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Mrs. Groenewegen.

Tabled Document 40-13(5): Article Entitled "put Up Or Shut Up" From The Yellowknifer Newspaper, February 6, 1998
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 683

Jane Groenewegen

Jane Groenewegen Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table a newspaper article from the Yellowknifer dated Friday, February 6, 1998. The article is entitled "Put Up or Shut Up". Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Tabled Document 40-13(5): Article Entitled "put Up Or Shut Up" From The Yellowknifer Newspaper, February 6, 1998
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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move seconded by the honourable Member for Keewatin Central that Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99 be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker.

This bill corrects certain inconsistencies and errors in the Statutes of the Northwest Territories. The bill also deals with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the statutes and repeals certain statutes and statutory provisions that have ceased to have effect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 9 has had second reading. If that was Bill 9 we have a problem. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sorry, for clarification that was Bill 10, Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1998.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo could you do that again because as I understand you did say Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99, which is not ready for second reading. Second reading of bills. Mr. Arlooktoo.

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Goo Arlooktoo Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move seconded by the honourable Member for Keewatin Central that Bill 10, Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1998 be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker.

This bill corrects certain inconsistencies and errors in the Statutes of the Northwest Territories. The bill also deals with other matters of a non-controversial and uncomplicated nature in the Statutes and repeals certain statutes and statutory provisions that have ceased to have effect. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 10 has had second reading and accordingly, the bill stands referred to the committee.

Second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. Bill 6, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act; Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99; Committee Report 02-13(5); Committee Report 03-13(5); Committee Report 04-13(5); Committee Report 05-13(5); Tabled Document 15-13(5) and Tabled Document 19-13(5). With Mr. Ningark in the Chair.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I would like to call the

committee to order. We have a number of items under consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters. I need instruction from Mr. Barnabas.

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Levi Barnabas High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee wishes to consider Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99; Committee Report 02-13(5); Committee Report 03-13(5) and will continue with MACA and Public Works and Services. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas. As recommended by Mr. Barnabas, we will deal with Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99; Committee Report 02-13(5); Committee Report 03-13(5) and will continue with MACA and subsequently, Public Works and Services. Do we have agreement?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We will do this after a break. Thank you.

--Break.

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The Chair John Ningark

I would like to call the committee back to order. We are dealing with community monitoring and evaluation in committee. 1998-99 main estimates of Municipal and Community Affairs. We are on page 4-11, community operations. Before we get into that discussion, I would like to read a ruling from yesterday.

Point of Order

I would like to provide a ruling on the point of order raised by the Member for Mackenzie Delta, Mr. Krutko, on February 9, 1998. I indicated when the Member for Mackenzie Delta raised his point of order that the proper time to have raised it was when the motion was ruled in order and deemed not debatable, as Citation 321 of Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, 6th edition states and I quote:

A point of order against procedure must be raised promptly and before the question has passed to a stage at which the objection would be out of place.

However, at the time of raising his point of order, I indicated that I understood his concern and that I would take it under advisement and provide comment at a later date.

In reviewing the matter, I considered the procedures used for the review of the appropriations commonly known as main estimates or budget review. Firstly, however, I would like to remind Members of the circumstances that gave rise to the Member's point of order. During consideration of the activity summary community monitoring and evaluation under the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, the Member for Thebacha proposed the following motion:

I move that the total operations and maintenance estimates for the activity community monitoring and evaluation under the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs in the amount of $924,000 be approved.

I ruled that motion in order and was advised at that time it was not debatable. In reviewing our budget process for committee of the whole and in consultations with other jurisdictions regarding the rules and procedures, I found that the motion was, indeed, debatable. I would like to indicate, however, the motion itself was in order and was subsequently carried and now stands as an order or decision of the House. Although the Chair may have erred in treating the motion as not debatable, the committee's decision will stand.

I think it is important to clarify for the Members the effect of the actions taken in the committee of the whole when details of the departmental budgets are being considered. When in committee of the whole, the Chair calls the individual activity summary. It is called by the Chair in the following manner and as an example, I would use the activity that was the subject of the motion by the Member for Thebacha.

Page 4-10 community monitoring and evaluation, operation and maintenance, total operations and maintenance $924,000.

I have checked the unedited Hansard and this is indeed, the exact wording that was used for that activity and for every other activity called. I have researched this matter and I have found that the effect of this statement by the Chair is technically a motion that needs the majority support of the committee of the whole. The will of the committee is expressed by the agreement of the majority of the Members when the dollar amount for each activity is called. Once the committee, through the Chair, is satisfied that agreement has been reached, then technically, that activity has been concluded.

The effect of the Member for Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger's motion, was to put the question to the committee rather than relying on a voiced agreement. Whether it was voiced agreement or a more formal vote, both methods are valid approaches. I hope that clarified the procedural options that are available to the House for the review of the appropriations.

I think it is, therefore, important that all Members understand the significance and importance of the agreements that are being given when reviewing the departmental budgets. I would also like to advise that once an activity has been agreed to by the committee, it is, indeed, approved. If a Member wishes to return to the activity, it will now require unanimous consent.

I would like to make it clear that I and my colleagues who Chair committee of the whole will apply our rules and procedures in a manner that provides all Members the opportunity to consider the matter before the committee for discussion. I can assure you that your Chairs will apply the Rules and Procedures so as not to favour one Member over another. Everyone will be fairly and equally treated under the Rules and Procedures. Thank you.

--Applause

Before we review the matter at hand, I would like to ask the honourable Minister if she wishes to bring in the witnesses.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, I would.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Do we have the concurrence of the committee? The honourable Minister will bring in the witnesses. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I would like to call the committee back to order before we begin. For the record, Madam Minister, please introduce witnesses to the committee.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

To my left is my deputy minister, Penny Ballantyne, and to my right is Mr. Vern Christensen, my assistant deputy minister, and also to the far right is Chris Keeley, director of finance.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister and welcome to the committee. We are dealing with 1998-99 main estimates activity summary on page 4-11, community operations, operations and maintenance, total operations and maintenance, $10.756 million. Agreed? Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yesterday, when Mr. Rabesca spoke about the difficulties in his community, one thing that I have been able to look at is that his community has been providing services on a contract basis to contractors within their community and, to me, that is a great incentive and a good way to go because we are talking about community empowerment and trying to make communities more responsible. In the long run, I see where communities hand over services to contractors where work can be done more efficiently.

However, the community of Rae-Edzo has been experiencing difficulties because they cannot deliver an adequate amount of service for the amount of funding they are receiving. Reading through some documentation that I have been provided, they are receiving the lowest per capita contribution of any community in the Northwest Territories. They have brought this to the attention of the department through a letter of last January, about a year ago, and again this year.

One of the problems that community has, is they face two particular problem areas. One, they contract their services out and hence they do not get funded the same as other communities do. The second problem they have is really two communities, quite a distance apart. Therefore, they have to supply services to two communities and they almost have to duplicate their infrastructure. The concern in all this is, first of all, they are not getting funded according to the community themselves to the appropriate level.

A question I have of the Minister is, what are they doing to resolve this because they have been dealing with the Minister for some time? The second question I have in all is, Rae-Edzo seems to me, the proper way to go. They are being punished because they have been running an efficient service by contracting it out to other people, running it on an economical basis, economizing as much as possible.

I wonder if the Minister could address the two questions for me: when are they going to resolve the problem of underfunding for Rae-Edzo because they have taken the initiative in a sense of trying to do things in what I consider the proper way and they are being penalized by funding because of that, but secondly, why is the department not looking at this and saying hey, that is great, we should institute and look at cost-savings in other communities and make communities more responsible?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not think it is in my nature to punish anybody or to penalize anybody so that was not a fair statement from the Member. I will ask my assistant deputy minister to answer his questions. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department is undertaking a municipal financing review in collaboration with the NWT Association of Municipalities. One of the objectives of the review is to look at any of the inequities communities feel there are in our municipal funding provisions. As a result of that review, we expect there will be some recommendations coming forward that the department will be able to act on to address certain issues.

One of the issues which has been identified does relate to the contracting of services within a community and how we fund communities. In the case of Rae-Edzo, it is my understanding that we do, in fact, provide a full fleet of mobile equipment to the community as provided by our mobile equipment program, and we fund Rae-Edzo consistently with other communities. We do believe though that there are certain unique features of the community of Rae-Edzo that may not be properly accounted for.

Our staff is meeting with the hamlet and has been meeting with the hamlet. As we mentioned yesterday in the Assembly, we have undertaken to take stock of the situation and see if there is a need for some interim funding to the communities to deal with the particular circumstances in the short run. In the long run, our plan would be to address the concerns in a more fundamental way through some amendments to our funding provisions that would come out of the municipal financing agreement. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. That addresses one of my questions. I would just like to comment on that and receive a comment back on the particular one that was just answered. I am pleased to hear that the department is doing a review with the Association of Municipalities. However, that does not resolve the particular problem faced by one of our communities that is close to us here in Yellowknife. It has been a festering problem for them for some time, and they have been trying to resolve it.

I understand what Mr. Christensen is saying that they provide a full fleet of mobile equipment. That may be so, but one of the arguments the community is making is that they do not receive the operations and maintenance.

The question I have is, when are they going to resolve this problem for the community? I would also like Mr. Christensen or someone at the table to tell me what they are doing in terms of addressing this question of economizing in communities. As I have said, Rae-Edzo has been perhaps a good example of how communities can economize, but they are being penalized in comparison to other communities, obviously. They have contracted all their services out, but as a result, they do not receive the kind of funding that other communities do. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just also would like to recognize the Member from Rae-Edzo. He has been working very hard with the department on this issue. We are dealing with the issue with him. Mr. Rabesca has brought this up more than once, but I will ask my assistant deputy minister to answer the questions. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The proposal we are considering presently is to provide funding to communities to recognize those situations where they contract out for services. Where the contractor offers a price for services, he includes a cost that is associated with the wear and tear on the mobile equipment that they use for contract of services. Presently under our funding formula, we do not provide assistance to communities in recognition of that cost premium. There is, in fact, disincentive to communities to contract out services.

Through the municipal financing review, we would anticipate that one of the recommendations that would be coming forth with the NWT Association of Municipalities would be a proposal to deal with that through the revised funding provisions under our formula funding policy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Ootes.

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Jake Ootes

Jake Ootes Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am pleased to hear that. As Mr. Christensen said, there is a disincentive to contract out and that is not the way it should be. It should be an incentive to contract out. That is what is going to eventually create efficiency in communities and employment, et cetera. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister, would you like to respond?

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think that was just a statement. I do not think there was a question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

I have Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Krutko and Mr. Picco. Mr Erasmus, we are dealing with community operations. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a similar problem as Mr. Ootes brought up except it is a little closer to Yellowknife. I am talking about the community of Ndilo which is still not receiving funding for municipal services. It is not included in the capital funding process. It seems as though all the other departments are now recognizing Ndilo as a separate community and providing funding such as community wellness and all this other funding that has gone out in the past and is going out this year, except for funding for the capital process and for MACA funding for the community.

As I indicated last year, the Yellowknives' Dene First Nation has to make do with Detah's funding to run the gym and what not in Ndilo, as well as in Detah which is cutting down on the services they are able to provide. Funding is basically on an ad hoc basis. I am advised that there is a much better relationship as far as visits from MACA staff and the rest of this, and they are working much closer together.

As far as the funding for municipal services, there was a working committee put together some time ago, and they were apparently making considerable headway. In fact, there was a municipal agreement that was very close to being finalized between the band and the city of Yellowknife to get funding for Ndilo. Then the Twin Pines Hill situation arose where the city wanted to put an arena on top of Twin Pines Hill, and for one reason or another, it fell through. After that, the discussions came to an abrupt halt or came to a very different tone and nothing has materialized.

The assistant deputy minister said they are looking at the funding inequities between the communities. I am assuming this would also include an area where a community is not even being funded whatsoever. I would like to know if the Minister and the department can put these talks back on track and possibly to provide interim funding for Ndilo such as was mentioned would be available for Rae-Edzo. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Our understanding is that there is still a willingness on the part of the city to continue the discussion relating to administrative arrangements with the band and providing services to Ndilo. Up until this point in time, the funding that has been considered as part of those administrative arrangements, the funding we presently provide to the city of Yellowknife for services to Ndilo.

Certainly we will want to continue the discussions and get them back on track as they do seem to have been delayed somewhat in the last two or three months. We would undertake to get those discussions back on track. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am advised by the Yellowknives' Dene First Nations administration that MACA personnel has identified $94,000 of the Yellowknife block funding that should be attributable to the Yellowknives' Dene members in Ndilo. As well, Public Works Canada has indicated that $120,000 in grants in lieu of taxes is provided. This is a considerable sum of money that Ndilo sees virtually nothing of other than basically to clean the roads periodically and a few other odds and ends.

Mr. Chairman, I think this has gone on long enough. We have been talking for two years. The committee has been in existence for at least about a year, I cannot remember exactly, but it is time this should have been rectified.

I would want a commitment that in this new fiscal year, funding is available to the community of Ndilo so they can adequately supply recreational services and provide municipal services for their community as every other community in the Northwest Territories is able to do, including the city of Yellowknife through their block funding. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know the Member had raised this when he first started as an MLA, and the talks have been going on for quite some time. I will make a commitment to see what we can do right away with my staff in the near future. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Community operations. I have here on the list Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Krutko, Mr. Picco and Mr. Steen. Mr. Krutko. Thank you.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question falls in line with the question I asked to the Department of Finance in regard to the fiscal policy of this government. The area I am talking about is in regard to the property assessment and taxation. The question I raised with the Department of Finance was the whole area of taxation, especially when it comes to elders where there is the elders' property tax. If you are a pensioner, basically your taxes are forgiven.

It seems like every year a lot of the elders have the same problem where they get these property assessments. They see this thing for $20,000 or $30,000 and it scares them. They think, holy smokes, what is going on here? I think every year a lot of the elders have come to my office in Fort McPherson where they want assistance to walk them through the process, get the forms and get someone with the oath of office to sign who they are and basically that they are in order to receive the subsidy.

I was wondering if it is possible for the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, along with the Department of Finance, to somehow find a way of streamlining this whole sector so that the elders do not have to do this every year so there is an opportunity for them that it will be in the computer system.

You know who the seniors are, you know what properties they own so they do not have to go through this burden of having to fill out to prove they are a senior every year where they have to basically fill out these forms and submit them with their property taxes. Is there any way of streamlining that to make it easier on the elders?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have nothing to do with the taxation, but I understand the Member when he says it is hard for the elders or seniors to understand all those notices that are coming to them. I understand the frustration. I will ask my deputy minister to answer some of his questions. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the issue the Member raises is one that we have also identified internally in the department. There is an interdepartmental effort going on to streamline seniors' programs generally. I think this would be a good issue to add to the list to see what we can do to make the process easier for elders.

There probably is some requirement to ensure that the elder still is resident in the property, et cetera, and I am sure that is the reason for the annual, just to check to make sure the information is the same as last year. The Member raises a good point. We could see what we could do to make that process more streamlined and easier for elders to access the Rebate Program which, I think, is what you are talking about there.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Krutko.

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David Krutko

David Krutko Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We talk about regulatory reform in trying to streamline the government. This is one area where we seem to have a lot of subsidies, but the way it works is you have to prove that you exist, you are who you say you are, where you have to go to a Commissioner for Oaths.

The communities we are talking about, they are small enough. The hamlet should be the one doing the checking because they are the ones providing the services to these communities. They know who are in those communities and the paperwork could be done in one central location, which could be done easily, through the hamlet office, so they do not have to go through this stress that these elders go through each year, where they have property assessment. In some cases, you get two or three of these a month.

The person goes to the post office and he is getting another bill. He is saying, what is going on. He just keeps seeing these things rolling off. It is costing us money where someone has to put it into the system every time. There is a cost to this government. If there are savings there that we can look at in regard to how often these assessments go out, so they do not have to go out every month, they can go out every six months or something so that they do not have go to the post office and have another assessment in the mail.

I think that should be looked at in the context of streamlining the cost to this government, possibly putting the checklists closer in the community, such as a hamlet where everyone deals with services with this government. Maybe you can give them the authority to ensure that these people still occupy these residences and they are who they say they are, so they do not have to go through the burden of having the elders do it. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I

believe that was just a comment and we have taken it seriously. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Community operations. Operations and maintenance. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, under community empowerment, the Keewatin pilot project would be a fundamental change or a profound change in the way this government does business. On April 2, 1997, the Cabinet directed MACA to investigate the potential for a comprehensive community empowerment transfer of authority to Keewatin communities for community infrastructure and capital expenditures on a pilot basis. I understood that was to individual Keewatin communities, not to a regional body.

Then, eight months later, on November 12th, at the Kivalliq leadership meeting in Whale Cove, they passed a motion supporting that in principle. The transfer of all Keewatin infrastructure, complete control of all GNWT capital funding designated for the Keewatin region and all GNWT operations and maintenance funding that can be attributed either directly or indirectly to the management of infrastructure in the Keewatin region. That was the motion.

The Kivalliq leadership also resolved, Mr. Chairman, to have a committee of key senior GNWT and Kivalliq leadership officials be established with sufficient financial and human resources to prepare a comprehensive transfer proposal and that the committee complete its comprehensive proposal not later than January 15, 1998.

Last week, during the first week in February, we met with the mayors and the proposal has not begun yet. MACA has explained the initiative as a pilot project, that would allow the capital process to be managed closer to the communities so that the communities could have more ownership of the decisions about project management and can better link project management with training opportunities. Everyone would agree with that principle. The communities would still have to abide by the department's policies, standards and criteria. There was no mention of operations and maintenance on

any of the other information items that we received.

The Minister for MACA and the department officials met with the Standing Committee on Infrastructure on the review of the 1998-99 main estimates and that was on November 26th. It was the first opportunity we had to address the Keewatin pilot project in committee.

Having gone back through all committee transcripts, we cannot find any mention of the Keewatin pilot project for capital and infrastructure operations and maintenance block funding, other than that date, or during that review in November. There are several questions around this change. First, it is a Cabinet direction as we know on April 2, 1997. The Cabinet directed MACA to look into this transfer to communities.

The first question would be, when did the change from the Cabinet direction of April 2, 1997 to Keewatin communities come about to be including a regional body, instead of each individual community? That would be my first question, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This has been mentioned many times. It started in September, 1996, during our business plans for 1997, review of 1997-98. In November, 1996, Kivalliq leaders in Baker Lake raised the Keewatin pilot project as a project to be considered as part of the infrastructure transfer initiative, instead of each community. Each community was presented with community transfer initiatives. Each community knew about that.

When they got together as leaders, they thought this was a better way of doing business. The Member is trying to make an assumption this just came out of the blue just recently. When the mayors were here, they were getting frustrated with technical questions that were being asked of them. It was a very important situation to the mayors because they know what they want to do. It is not something that is being forced upon them. It is something that they have come up with at the leadership meeting of 1996, at the Baker Lake meeting. I am going to ask my deputy minister to elaborate some more on this.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam. Deputy minister.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think one of the issues that the pilot project is trying to address is, how you can make infrastructure transfers work in small communities and in a small region. One of the early concerns that mayors and SAOs in the Keewatin raised was that there would not be enough economies of scale in a small community to make the infrastructure transfer work.

They felt it would be important for them to be working together. Because their region is small and they do have a tradition of meeting on a regular basis and working together, they were very comfortable with a regional approach. The regional approach has been there almost from day one. It was never intended that it be six separate approaches or eight separate approaches in the Keewatin. The desire to work on this together was there right from the beginning. It was presented to Cabinet if my memory serves me correctly, as a regional block funding approach and not intended to be a separate community-by-community approach. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Community operations. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not making assumptions out of the blue for the Minister. I am not asking you questions, Madam Minister, to upset you, to cause you any concern. I am asking you those questions because I want to know the answers. There has been no proposal put on the table. There are several questions outstanding. It might be the best proposal in the world. You do not know that until you have the facts.

I was not at the Baker Lake meeting as you know in 1996, why would I have been there? How would I have known that? All I can go by is the information provided to me from going through the Hansards, from going through the transcripts. The only thing that was involved in the Keewatin transfer that was talked about in any committee was the airport transfer, not this block funding agreement that the deputy minister just spoke about.

I have specific questions on it and I am not here to get into a debate on where I am coming up with this and how in the committee meeting, no one other than you or the mayors had an opportunity to comment on questions of a technical nature. I am not prepared to go and debate that, because I did not ask any questions of a technical nature. I do not like that connotation, but I will follow up on my questions. I do not think that is fair, Mr. Chairman.

My follow-up question is, would legislation be required to enable the region to assume the functions or would some other legal mechanism be available? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We will try to speak through the Chair. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We did a full briefing to the Baffin leadership meeting on this project in August, where the Infrastructure Committee Member was there and also Levi Barnabas, Jack Anawak and also Jose Kusugak, the NTI group and the QIA were also all there. In regard to the legislation, I will ask my deputy minister to answer that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we have been consulting with the Department of Justice, as we have with all departments, in the development of the proposal outlined and to date we have not had any legislative concerns raised by the department. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you. There are a couple of questions on the transfer itself. We talked earlier about the profound change and I would like to ask some specific questions on that. Would there be job losses or transfers as a result of this proposal or would there be actual new job creation? Would that be some type of new level of bureaucracy at a regional level with the transfer?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know my deputy minister has been working a lot on this, so she knows the details more than I do. I will ask her to answer that question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No job losses are contemplated. It is certainly quite possible there would be some transfers of positions from GNWT departments to the Keewatin Communities Association if that ends up being the regional group. It would be anticipated that there also might be more community level jobs created because communities would now have the scope of work that would allow them to employ, for example, a full time maintainer. You need a certain number of buildings to take care of in a community before it makes sense to have a resident plumber or resident oil burner mechanic.

Right now in the smaller communities, because of the way each of the buildings is taken care of by a separate agency, often those services are provided by a regional group. By pulling all of this together at the local level there starts to be some local opportunities for employment that do not exist today. Certainly we would hope to see more local jobs created as a result of something like the Keewatin pilot. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The time has run out for Mr. Picco, at this time. On the list I have Mr. Steen on government operations. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have questions on a couple of topics. My first question is in regard to capital projects that hamlets take on through community empowerment. In the past it was partial authority contracts or full authority contracts. I believe MACA as a department does not take on the actual construction of the capital infrastructure, but DPW does. So I assume that DPW is then the department that is responsible for passing this contract authority to the communities.

What I would like to know is, under that particular type of authority on a capital project, is the municipality responsible for obtaining all permits that are required?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For partial authority agreements, the contract, the project manager is the community, as well as for full project authority agreements. There is a much heavier direct involvement by Public Works than our department on a project management team. In the partial authority agreement approach, the responsibility in each case for obtaining all the necessary permits rests with the community as the project manager. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This includes the liabilities?

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Thank you. Madam Minister. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Yes, it would include the liabilities associated with managing the project. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, just an example. I believe not too very long ago, the municipality of Iqaluit was involved with legal costs pertaining to their sewage lagoon, I believe the government paid that. Now what my question would be, for instance, after a project is started and over and done with if that

type of environmental concerns spring up, is it totally the responsibility of the community to fund those types of inquiries or whatever would be required under the federal or other legislation?

For instance, in the case of Iqaluit sewage lagoon, I believe there were fairly large expenses involved. Some kind of an agreement was worked out that the government paid half or all those costs. That was way after the project was actually completed. So what I am getting at here is that some projects are long ongoing or they have results later on that could be of environmental concern. Is the municipality totally liable for all those costs?

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe most of the liabilities would typically be covered under the insurance that is carried by the municipality. In the instance of the Iqaluit sewage lagoon, it became a rather complicated legal case in which the timing of the transfer of the asset and the holder of the water licence became an issue. In that process there was liability placed on the Government of the Northwest Territories. I would think that would not be a typical case. In the more typical situation, the municipality would be properly insured and if the liability fell to the municipality, they would be financially covered and it would not be causing an onerous, financial issue for the community. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am sure the department is aware that for the past thirteen years the municipality of Tuktoyaktuk has been constructing a shoreline erosion on the west side. Over those thirteen years I do not believe there was any point in time where except at the start, they were actually required to probe the federal departments as to what permits would be required, including ocean dumping or under environmental protection or the Fisheries Act.

The community has been doing this, Mr. Chairman, over, like I said, thirteen years. On January 21st of this year, 1998, the federal fisheries looked at the hamlet and suggested that their shoreline erosion control may be in fact subject to environmental screening committee and possibly an EARP panel. Now these can get quite expensive. Therefore, I am wondering if the hamlet is going to be stuck with these costs?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The department has made a contribution to the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk in this fiscal year of $350,000 towards this project of shoreline erosion protection. If there are special costs, extraordinary costs associated with the hamlet making application and representation to the environmental authorities that would need to be satisfied before such a project would occur, we would consider those to be legitimate costs against the project, against getting the project passed to the design stage for construction. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, this is beginning to have some reflection on what hamlets are going to take over in the future, obviously. Like I said, no doubt there is going to be a fair amount of expense involved, if in fact federal fisheries decides that this project is going to have an effect on fish. I do not know how come after thirteen years of putting gravel on the beach they decide it is affecting the fish in the water, but that is federal fisheries for you.

My point here is out of the monies that are given towards the actual project if the major portion of it is spent on hearings, there is not going to be much left to put on the beach except possibly the paperwork. So what I am concerned about here is that as communities take on projects, they seem to be left holding the bag with a lot of spin-off costs that come up later.

I am not sure whether the department can really wash their hands of the project that simply. Does the department feel that they have some responsibility to work with the community to assure these legislations are, in fact, reviewed before the project starts so that there are no surprises like this? Does the department have any ongoing monitoring in that manner?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The way this is typically handled for a project is by having projects implemented over a period of time where you have one year in which you do the planning for a project and the next year you enter into the detail design and then the following year you begin construction. That kind of a typical implementation schedule allows you to have better information as the project progresses.

Certainly in the planning stage for a project and the design stage it gives you the opportunity to make sure that you do have the project properly reviewed and all of the permitting in place before construction actually proceeds. If costs arising out of that become much higher than anticipated, you still have the opportunity to review whether or not the project should proceed at all. Along the way it may mean variances in the costs for the projects, but through our financial review process that we do have, we have some flexibility to make adjustments to project budgets as the work develops.

Hopefully, we strive for minimum variances in project costs, of course. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen, your time is up. I have Mr. Picco, Mr. O'Brien, Mr. Erasmus. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I just want to follow up on some of my questions on the Keewatin pilot project. Twice now this House has endorsed the Footprints 2 model, which proposes two forms of government in Nunavut. One is community government and the other is the territorial government of Nunavut. So I wonder how that could be rationalized in light of Footprints 2, the Keewatin pilot project.

Indeed, if you are going to transfer all the operations and maintenance funding and the capital funding to a regional body, and you are setting up a bureaucracy to manage that transfer, is that not, indeed, regional government? That is my question, how do we rationalize that within the outlay of Footprints 2?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to Footprints 2, I have read the report of NIC and my officials have also reviewed it. According to their recommendations, this Keewatin pilot project was initiated by the infrastructure department. This is exactly the same as the infrastructure projects that were recommended by NIC.

I understand where the Member is coming from, where he is saying there would be two levels of government, regional and territorial. The Member indicated there would be two levels of government. He indicated which level the regions are at. This Keewatin pilot project will be a project just so that we will see how much money we will have to spend on it. They will not be legislators that will be putting out this project because we will be monitoring this project. We have reviewed the whole report of NIC and I figured this would be a good recommendation. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends).

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I should have recognized Mr. O'Brien before I recognized Mr. Picco because Mr. Picco indeed had spoken once before but I will allow Mr. Picco to carry on.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I guess the department still means that, indeed, there is no conflict between the Footprints model as outlined in 1 and 2, which has been accepted by this Assembly, the Keewatin transfer? So I will follow on with a second question and that would be how would such a transfer impact on the 1998/1999 budget? Could the region decide on different priorities for the 1998/1999 year? So as an example, Mr. Chairman, just to clarify my question for the department to the Minister, right now we are approving projects in the main estimates by project name. For example, a new school if it is going to be in Rankin or a tank farm in Arviat or whatever the specific project is, that has been approved in main estimates as specifically for that project. So how would that work then if the Keewatin leadership took on the proposal? Would they receive those monies in a block fund or could they change that priority after it has been passed?

That goes back to my earlier question on the legislation. Again, Mr. Chairman, the Keewatin pilot project may be a good project. I am not saying I am against it, but I am just asking some questions for clarification purposes so maybe the Minister could explain how that could happen, and if the projects are approved today in 1998-1999 capital budget, what happens then with those amounts when they are transferred to the Keewatin mayors. How can that work when they pick different priorities?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regard to Mr. Picco's concerns that he is raising, they have already been dealt with. This has been going on for a couple of years now. Regarding his specific questions, he was asking if we would be breaking that legislation that the government has put into force. I can honestly say that we will not be breaking any kind of legislation or any kind of policy if we were to go ahead with this project in Keewatin.

My deputy minister Penny Ballantyne will elaborate a little bit more on this issue in regard to our business plans from 1998 to 2001. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.(Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Deputy minister Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in response to the Member's question as to whether the Keewatin pilot project would have any impact on the approved 1998-99 capital budget., no, it is not intended that the budget that is approved by this House would be changed in any way by the Keewatin project. As Members can appreciate many of these projects need to proceed very quickly upon approval early in the new fiscal year. Communities in the Keewatin certainly would not want to see any hold-up in those projects or any delays in those projects.

What we are really talking about is being able to have a proposal which would be handed off to the new government of Nunavut which could be implemented in 1999/2000. That would be the first time in which we could be recommending a capital budget that would reflect the input from the Keewatin communities as per the proposal.

The short answer is no. It is not anticipated at this point because you have the detail of capital in front of you today which certainly does reflect community input through our own internal process. So no, it is not anticipated that would change. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe going back about eight or nine years ago a similar proposal was presented in the Beaufort Delta region in Inuvik. I believe it was the Inuvik Regional Government Plan. There was a name on it, I forget the name on it, and I had a copy of that report in my office in Iqaluit and had read it over. It was very similar to what is being proposed in the Keewatin region right now which had been approved again on April 2, 1997.

Cabinet directed MACA to investigate the potential for comprehensive community empowerment transfer in that region. I guess it begs the question what has happened to the Beaufort region which has been looking at this for about seven years?

I would follow up with a specific question on the proposal itself and that is, when will a comprehensive proposal outline the Keewatin pilot project be put forward by the department for review so that the Members of this House can see it and we can have some proper debate. That is what we are trying to do, ask questions on the project. It is very hard to ask questions if you have only seen a motion and you have not really seen anything official from the department at all. When can that comprehensive proposal be put forward by the department for evaluation? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation). In regard to this pilot project in the draft, if the Members want to look at the draft section of this project, we can perhaps put it out next week. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Community operations. Total operations, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, it would be nice to see the draft proposal. I am wondering when the actual comprehensive proposal from the mayors would be put together. I understand that MACA the mayors met, they talked about January 15th as being a time line. There must be a comprehensive transfer proposal under way.

I remember talking to the deputy minister about this in committee and she said that at that time it would be a bit longer. When can an actual comprehensive proposal outlining what is being proposed come forward and the implications of same? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The draft proposal we are talking about was put out when the Keewatin mayors were meeting in Keewatin. They had this idea for quite some time now and the draft proposal is now available for evaluation by the Members.

However, the comprehensive proposal the Member is talking about will have to wait a little while because the Keewatin mayors will have to meet about this again in Rankin Inlet. The comprehensive report that the Member is asking about will have to come out a little bit later in the year. It will have to come from the Keewatin mayors but we will be offering him the draft proposal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Picco's time is up. Mr. O'Brien, do you want your name struck from the list? Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My clock is not working, so I will depend on Mr. Picco or yourself when I am getting close to my time period. A question to the honourable Minister in relationship to the pilot project in Keewatin. I was happy to hear that the capital projects that will be approved over the next few weeks, that they will not be changed or tampered with after the fact. My other question is what changes, if any, would take place in the other aspects like operations and maintenance and operation job transfers and so and so forth? Thank you.

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Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Keewatin mayors will be meeting in Rankin this month, I think during the week of the 17th, 18th and 19th and the public is also welcome to this meeting. There are also invitations to leaders to attend this special meeting and they will be discussing some specific projects as well. When the leaders in Keewatin meet, all the questions and answers will probably come out in the report.

However, what I am saying is probably premature because they have not met to discuss this item yet. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Another issue that is related and concerns me and I think is related and maybe not. What impact, if this were to go ahead, would this have on the decentralized model that has been put in place now and agreed to by all parties with the transfer of jobs to the smaller communities like Arviat and Baker Lake and other communities? Would there be any impact or change in what has been agreed to?

What we know to date is that all parties, the federal government, NIC and this government have agreed in principle with the decentralized model. What we do not seem to know at this point is what is the schedule of it and that is one of the issues which I brought up in the House with Mr. Todd. So what impact, if any, would this project if it goes ahead have on the agreed decentralized model?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The NIC report, Footprints 2, when they were meeting about this report, I attended most of the meetings and I also agreed with this report and the three parties, NTI, GNWT and federal government at the time supported it also. As I indicated earlier, the NIC report, if you guys were to read the whole report, as it is, if it goes under capital projects, they will be meeting about capital projects under community operations.

All these capital projects are listed in that report and this will not have any effect on job transfers to communities or decentralization. We are in support of this initiative We are not going to take any jobs away from anybody because we have already agreed to this decentralization model. We are not against any NIC models at all. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe earlier you indicated and I just caught a piece of it as I was coming in as you were speaking about the possibility of jobs being transferred to a central location that would coordinate this organization. Can you elaborate more on that? What jobs and where will they be and what area would they be in, in order to coordinate this particular project?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Minister Manitok Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With regard to the NIC report, Footprints 2, they are following closely with this report and we are also in support of what is contained in the report. My staff and I have read this

report. Perhaps smaller communities for example, will not see too many changes. Regarding the other communities that are going to be allocated staff, we are not trying to take away the allocation of this staff, this is going to be more of a support to Footprint 2. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

My question, just to focus in a little more on the transfer positions or the possible transfers. If I hear you clearly what you are stating, is for example, in my two communities Arviat and Baker Lake that this proposal when put in place would have no impact. We will not change the decentralized approach that has been agreed to by all parties. There will be no change in the allocation and number of jobs and the type of jobs that have been identified for our two communities. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The mayor of Arviat, Peter Kritaqliluk, has a concern coming from Arviat. He is always involved with the Keewatin leaders meetings. I can also say that the Footprints 2, is supported by the government here. We are in support of what is contained in Footprints 2. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. The honourable Member for Arviat, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Not only is my clock not working, but my ear phones are not working either. If we can have somebody check out the system? I only had pieces of what you were saying. I am sorry. It was coming in all broken up. I want to make it very clear, and I would like you to state here that what has been agreed to by all parties regarding the decentralized model. The last meeting indicated there was full support by all parties, all signatories, that the decentralized model would go ahead as laid out in Footprints 2.

What we do not know yet is the schedule, which Mr. Todd says, we are going to get next month. I want to make it clear, and I would like you to make it clear that these pending jobs that are going to be transferred into the various communities such as my two communities of Arviat and Baker Lake, that they will not be changed in any way. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Before we proceed, Mr. O'Brien, do you want a technician to check your ear piece and what else? Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

We will continue, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will repeat myself if you did not understand my earlier comment. I think there is something wrong with the technical wiring. I had stated earlier, with regard to the three parties, they had agreed with one another. They wanted to have a decentralized government. The government is in agreement with what is contained in Footprints 2 and is supported by this government. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. You have a couple of seconds, Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a final question to the Minister. Once again, I know what Footprints 2 is saying, and I know what we have agreed to in this government. What I am asking is, if there are going to be any changes whatsoever, any impact if this proposal were to go ahead, if there would be any change? Forget what has happened up to date, but if this project were to be put in place, would it have any impact whatsoever on the jobs and the potential jobs that would be transferred to my two communities of Arviat and Baker Lake? This is what I am asking. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have been giving you the same answer. Perhaps because of the technical difficulty, you cannot understand me. We are not against the Keewatin pilot project. The Keewatin pilot project is also in favour of this and in support of Footprints 2. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Your time is up, Mr. O'Brien. Thank you. I have on the list, Mr. Rabesca, who has not spoken. I actually have Mr. Erasmus, Mr. Rabesca and Mr. Steen. I will recognize Mr. Rabesca.

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I only could appreciate that the mayor of my community has been lobbying pretty hard to the Minister's office and with some of my colleagues in Yellowknife to voice himself on the very important issue communities are facing at the moment regarding the financing formula that they have been having problems with for many years. I only hope they will be able to resolve this whole issue as soon as possible because this thing has been going on for many years and is causing a lot of frustration to the community, municipal government, the mayor and his council.

I was hoping to see whether we could get a final response from the Minister, if she could give us some fair and equitable response to the municipal government within my community, if the whole issue could be resolved, if not right now, but in the very near future because we certainly do not want to have this thing drag on too long and to have some approval from the various municipality associations. I wonder if the Minister would be able to comment and respond to my question regarding getting a definite answer to the community of Rae-Edzo? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have Mr. Rabesca, Mr. Roland, Mr. Erasmus, and Mr. Steen. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will look at an interim and short term response as soon as possible because the financing review has not been finished yet for the Member. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. We have Mr. Roland, who has not spoken at this time.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In a previous budget session with this department, I asked questions on taxation of tax-based versus non-tax-based. I would like to know what, if any, work has been done in the area of tax-based, non-tax-based to maybe look at some of the differences and drawing them a little closer together when it comes to paying for infrastructure in communities? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to answer that question. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, this particular issue is included in the Municipal Financing Review and as I am sure everyone can appreciate, it has proven to be one of the tougher issues we have had to deal with because we have representatives from both tax-based and non-tax-based communities participating on that review with us.

As Members are currently aware, there is a higher degree of subsidy available to non-tax-based communities than to tax-based. Understandably, the non-tax-based communities are not really excited about becoming tax-based communities although it certainly does give them a much higher degree of flexibility and authority, et cetera, that comes with being tax-based.

It is not all bad news. Part of our challenge in MACA is to try and provide information to communities, so they do see the advantages, as well as some of the perceived disadvantages to becoming tax-based.

In terms of where we are going to go with this, we do see this as being an issue that will be under discussion at the Association of Municipalities Annual General Meeting which will be held this May in Hay River, when we will be giving a report to the whole membership on the Municipal Financing Review.

I believe it is their practice to invite all Members of the Legislative Assembly to attend that meeting. I suspect it is going to be the subject of some vigorous discussions at that time. At this point though, I can say we are still in the process of identifying what the various issues are and hearing the concerns from both sides of the issue. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You mentioned the Municipal Financing Review. Is there a time line as to when you see this being completed?

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The Chair John Ningark

Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we had hoped to conclude this work this spring and to present a final report to the AGM in May. What has been happening is as we have been getting into some of the technical work, for example, some of the points the Member from Rae-Edzo has been raising, it is not as easy as it looked from the start.

The NWTAM and ourselves want to make sure we do a good job on this as opposed to a fast job. We are looking at bringing in an interim report and interim recommendations to the NWTAM in May. We will have a better sense then of how much work is going to be required to complete it. A lot will depend on how dramatic the change would be in terms of the recommendations because we have a fixed amount of money in the budget. We are not talking about having any more money to put into that pot. We are just talking about, is there a better way to distribute the money we have.

Of course, in order to give some communities more money, it means other communities are going to get less. What we are going to have to do is be able to provide the new financing framework in a way that all communities can buy in and to have a transition to that which is fair. Of course, at this time, we do not have that framework, and we cannot tell how dramatic those changes will be and if it will be a difficult transition or a relatively easy one.

By May, we should have a better sense of where that sits, and we will want to be discussing that in a very up-front and honest way with the association to have their support in terms of how we plan the transition, and what will be a more fair and equitable funding formula. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. On the list I have Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My questions are in the same area as Mr. Krutko, the senior citizens tax rebate or assistance. I would like to know what is the purpose of the senior citizens property tax rebate or forgiveness the department is involved in?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask Penny to answer that.

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The Chair John Ningark

We will refer to others by their last name, please. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department is responsible for the administration of the Senior Citizens and Disabled Persons Property Tax Relief Act. It is the piece of legislation that sets out the provisions for tax rebates for senior citizens and for disabled persons. The purpose of it is to relieve the financial burden on seniors and on disabled persons for the payment of property taxes. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are all senior citizens treated equally through the provision of this tax relief?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, they are treated the same within the GTA, and they are treated the same within the MTA. The difference is in the treatment between the GTA and the MTA and this, of course, was pointed out by the Member from Hay River in the standing committee during last fall's review.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through the deputy minister's response, does this mean senior citizens in the tax-based communities are not being treated the same and that they may be paying taxes when they are not in other areas?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam deputy minister.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the act currently allows us to rebate property taxes in the general taxation area if one senior is listed as a co-owner. However, the same act directs that for seniors in the municipal taxation area both the co-owners must be seniors. The difference in the GTA is you only need one senior if you have two co-owners. In the MTA, you need two seniors.

This is a discrepancy which is right in the legislation. It is not something the department is utilizing any discretion in terms of a policy within the department. We have been consulting with the seven municipal taxation authorities on what the impact would be on changing this legislation. We were consistent with the GTA where you would only need one senior.

Of course there would be a financial impact to those municipalities because that tax relief is shared 50/50 between the GNWT and the taxing authority. We are consulting with those municipal taxing authorities and that is where we are at with it, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is this the only instance when seniors might pay taxes in tax-based communities?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am not exactly clear on the question. We only offer this one rebate program and it is very specific to property taxes within the communities. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I have been informed by some of my constituents that they are paying property tax because their home has been assessed at a certain value. Apparently, the city has placed a ceiling on the amount of relief that will be provided. I was wondering if this is a proper assessment of the situation? No pun intended. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in the city of Yellowknife there is a limit on the amount of tax relief the city would provide. The municipal taxing authorities get back 50 percent of the rebate that is provided to seniors. As I mentioned that is cost-shared between the GNWT and the municipalities. My understanding is that it is set right across the territories to a maximum. I will have to defer to Mr. Christensen for the exact amount, but it is consistent, I believe, from community to community.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Perhaps, where this inconsistency has appeared is that the department pays 50 percent of what the municipality pays, in terms of a subsidy for property taxes to seniors. If the municipality has set a limit then, that would be the limit to which the department would subsidize as well. In the GTA area, the area of hamlets, settlements and charter communities, we subsidize the total amount of the municipal tax paid by seniors. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Am I hearing, Mr. Chairman, there is no limit then on what the GNWT will provide as relief, but it is in this instance a limit that the city of Yellowknife itself has placed?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

That would be the case, yes, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Erasmus.

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Roy Erasmus Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe there are already inequities between senior citizens who own their own homes and those who live in subsidized housing. The seniors who live in their own homes have to pay for their fuel, electricity, water, garbage pick up and all the rest of this and now some of them have to pay their taxes as well. Since the department is already looking at closing one loop-hole would the Minister and her department undertake to ensure senior citizens are treated equally in this instance?

Also, so that the municipalities will not place a limit on the amount that they will provide relief for? After all, these senior citizens may have worked all their life in order to attain their home and they are now on fixed incomes. I do not think they should be penalized for living in the city of Yellowknife rather than in Fort Rae or some other municipality that does not do their taxes or where they do not have taxes whatsoever.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will consider the suggestion made by the Member. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Erasmus, your time is up. I have Mr. Steen. We are dealing with community operations. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to conclude my topic on my earlier questions on capital projects to the department. I believe the department indicated this project is on going and considered under operations and maintenance funding to the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk. As such, it is the responsibility of the hamlet to handle this particular situation with federal fisheries. I would just like to point out, Mr. Chairman, this particular type of situation, I believe, plays a big part in the hamlet's financial overall.

If the hamlet finds themselves in this type of situation whereby they would have to, in order to continue with the project, fund environmental hearings out of their own funding. There is no funding for that particular purpose. Therefore, they have no choice but to go down. I would just like some assurance from the department that they will work with the community to assure that, for one thing, federal fisheries regulations are, in fact, met and the conditions that federal fisheries, whatever concerns they may have were addressed.

Also, that there would be consideration for funding to the communities in this type of situation to assure them they do not have to draw on their own operations and maintenance funding to address this type of concern by other departments that were not foreseen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask Mr. Christensen to answer that. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Assistant deputy minister, Mr. Christensen.

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The cost the Member refers to would be considered project management costs that would be necessary to implement a project. The cost associated with getting the environmental approvals for the project to proceed would be project management costs, which would be included in the cost of the project. The funding that we would provide for the project could be put towards those costs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, could I get assurance from the department that they will work with the hamlet in responding to federal fisheries?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yes, we will.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If I could just switch to everybody's favourite topic here, the Keewatin pilot project. I would just like some clarification, Mr. Chairman. I believe, I am hearing that the Keewatin mayors, and this is also based on information I have been receiving by correspondence, they intend to take over all the capital projects.

I am wondering how this fits in. Obviously, there was a fair amount of planning and involvement from citizens in the communities through, for instance, the health board. They identified their priorities. Also, the education boards identified their priorities. I am just wondering how these two authorities would be involved with this Keewatin pilot project? I get the impression the mayors are suggesting that they would take over that type of infrastructure as well.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These leaders are not all mayors. The education and the health boards are at the same table and also the Inuit organizations are all at the same table. They talk about issues in their communities. This is not just the mayors of the Keewatin region. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the Minister to say this particular group is not trying to obtain any legislative authority, so therefore, are they going to be just an advisory capacity?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Thompson.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will ask my deputy minister to answer that. She is more familiar with it. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it is anticipated that the Keewatin Communities Association would play a project management role in the delivery of capital projects and also to provide a specialist services for the maintenance of community buildings where a hamlet did not have that specialist service locally in the community. They would have an advisory role with respect to the identification of capital projects that we would bring forward to the Legislative Assembly in the department's capital plan and would also appear in the capital budgets of other departments whose infrastructure would be affected. Yet part of it is advisory, part of it would be project management. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department identified this group as Keewatin Communities Association. Is this group registered?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will

refer that to my deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, no, they are not at this point. We are still at early stages in terms of the development of the proposal. It may end up being called something else. I think the concept though is that all of those groups that currently participate at the regional level, which includes the divisional boards of health and education in addition to the Keewatin Inuit Association, would continue to be involved. Certainly there has been no discussion about excluding any of the partners that are currently in place. Certainly we would want to see that kind of collaboration at the community level as well. The whole idea is to bring the different groups together not for any one group to take over for another. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, other than the fact that this group would be taking over the management of capital infrastructure projects, project management, this group is actually, in a sense, just an extension of the regional leadership that is going on in every region right now. Do they only advise at this point?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. These are the same players that everybody have at leadership meetings across the territories. They are just having more authority to manage their funds. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will now recognize the honourable Member from Iqaluit, Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to follow up on some of the comments Mr. Steen had earlier made. I am going to have to review the Hansard just to make sure of what was being said, but according to the motion that was passed and the understanding, the Keewatin mayors had looked at the transfer of all of the Keewatin region infrastructure a complete control of all the GNWT capital funding designated for the Keewatin region and all GNWT operations and maintenance funding that could be attributed either directly or indirectly to the management of said infrastructure. After saying that, the question that Mr. O'Brien had made earlier on the decentralized model, for example under the centralized model of government today, under NIC, under Footprints 1 and 2 that the GNWT has accepted, DPW, as an example, would move to Baker Lake, Health and Social Services, Education would move to Arviat, MACA would move to Arviat.

So if you now have one group controlling all this in the region, the mayors' region controlling all this, then what happens to that decentralized model? Why would you have to move people, MACA as an example, DPW, Health and Social Services, Education, why would you move those people from Rankin Inlet to Baker Lake and to Arviat? Does that not jeopardize the decentralized plan in place? What would the impact be? There would be no decentralization then because there is no government then, because everything is under the control of the mayors or that society that we talked about. I think that is part of the confusion. Maybe we could have some elaboration on that?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation). Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The departments would move to the communities that are required to move. The leaders in the community, in the region just meet together and discuss how funds should be spent. The leaders would just discuss how funds are going to be used and, as I was saying earlier, the government has approved this. This has been proposed where the leaders in the communities are just working together to discuss how funds will be used. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, if you are approving the funds to be transferred, like you are talking about. So under your model, you are saying they would just sit there, they get $300 million in transfers for all the operations and maintenance and capital infrastructure, then they decide the money is going to be spent here or there or whatever community you are talking about.

What about when you are talking about operations and maintenance funding? When you talk about maintenance? When you talk about, for example, the plans to build a new arena in whatever community. Who does that planning? Is that going to still stay in a decentralized place? Does it move over to Arviat as planned or Baker Lake as planned? I think that is the confusion.

The Minister talked about the mayors are going to meet in a very simplistic fashion and decide what happens to the monies allocated. Could the assistant deputy minister or the deputy minister or the director of finance indicate to us what you are talking about? What is the total budget you are talking about that would be transferred in capital and operations and maintenance when you say that?

I know, for example, in my region the hospital board alone has $40 million under it. What are you talking about when you are saying all capital monies? All infrastructure monies? I think it might be a good thing if you are going to hire more people to administer that, because that would be more jobs available. That may be a good thing.

Thank you, Mr. Todd. I am glad you heard me, you have got your microphone on. Anyway, maybe you can give us an idea on what you are talking about then? Just to come back with a confirmation because you never clarified it, Madam Minister. Would there be any job losses in the decentralized model, with the implementation of this plan? Would there be any job losses?

My second question on that same topic would be what is the total operations and maintenance funding and capital funding ear marked under this project? Even approximate numbers would be nice. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize. I am sorry that this Member is not able to understand what is happening here. I wonder what is not understood here? We are trying to work together and it seems that if we were to discuss funds that will be used in the region and if we are going to work together, we would be discussing issues such as funds that are needed in the communities. We would work together this way.

It seems that the region would be able to work more closely with the department, and the leaders in the region would be able to work more closely with the departments. The Members of the Legislative Assembly will have control and they will not lose any of their control. We are also not against the Footprints 2 report. It has been read. We are not trying to work in any way to not follow it. They will have to change whatever the communities want within the projects.

All the Keewatin communities will have to meet together to discuss what kind of funds will be allocated and how much of the funds will be used. The NIC report and Footprints 2 were in support of everything that has been recommended in the report. There are some different bodies that will have to meet together and discuss how the funds will be allocated towards the Keewatin pilot project and what kind of changes we will need. They will have to come up with ideas as to how we can change this initiative. This is the way we are trying to set up our current situation in the Keewatin.

The Keewatin mayors are also beneficiaries of land claims. They have concerns about what is going on within their region. For that purpose the mayors decided maybe it would be better to handle the projects in a coordinated way. In regard to the decentralization model the NIC recommended, it is very well understood by these Keewatin mayors and none are trying to take anything away from it. They would like to be able to make changes where they can make changes that would be better for their communities. We as leaders, legislators, have to deal with the legislation. We have the regional leaders that come up with concerns and problems. We have to try and work with these people. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Picco?

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do not know where to begin. I am just asking a couple of questions here. I am asking what is the impact on the decentralized communities? Are there going to be job losses in those communities? Can the decentralized model go ahead? That is what I asked.

No, that is not what I am saying. I am asking the Minister two questions. Thank you, Mr. Todd, are you the Minister from MACA? I asked two questions there. Number one, what would the impact on a decentralized community model be? Would there be job loss? If there are no job losses, and you say that in the House, fine. I have asked her three times and I keep getting back motherhood and apple pie statements.

I am not trying to be confrontational. I do not have the proposal in front of me. It has not been tabled. They come up with the committee one time. You said you talked about it at the Baffin Leaders meeting. You came up with a five sentence thing. I confirmed that with some of the other Members who were at that meeting. There was not a big display on the Keewatin pilot project.

There was no overview on that project, specifically at that meeting. That is not a meeting or a standing committee of this House. Let us get that straight for one time here. I am not trying to be confrontational. It might be the best plan possible, but I cannot tell that if you cannot answer the questions that have been put here.

I would be pleased to go over to the Keewatin in April and meet with the mayors. I suggested that to Peter Kay when he was here last week, and find out what was going on. I have not seen any indication of that. I wonder if the Minister could answer my question? Is there any impact on the decentralized model in the Keewatin region? If you are going to be decentralizing and down loading or setting up your regional government?

That is an honest question. Thank you, Mr. Todd. I would like the Minister from MACA to answer the question. I am not talking about control. I am sorry the Minister feels that I cannot understand the question. I understand the question I am asking. I would like to understand the answer you are trying to give. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have Mr. Steen. Madam Minister, would you like to respond to Mr. Picco?

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Through our interpreters. I do not mind him if he gives this excuse that maybe we are not being understood properly by other Members. I apologize for talking too fast and the interpreters are not being able to keep up with us. I do not know how else to put this. What I am trying to say is this. According to NIC's report, Footprints 2, we all understand the context of this report and we are not trying to be against any of the recommendations that were put forth in that report. I hope this is well understood now.

During KIA meetings in Baffin, there were not only five sentences said. There were a few items that were discussed. If the Members wanted to get a copy of the minutes of our meeting, I can give them a copy. There were lengthy discussions on some specific items concerning the Baffin. Going back to NIC's report and the decentralization model, we are not trying to come up with anything different. We are just in support of these recommendations that were in the report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Page 4-11 of the 1998-99 main estimates, Municipal and Community Affairs. I have on the list

Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have a couple of questions. One, would the Keewatin Communities Association, as I believe they are called, be involved in approving or project management of those projects that are identified under federal funding in this book, $12 million worth of them? Any future projects as well? That is one question I have.

The other question is, as a Member for an area that is going to end up in the west, I am reluctant at this point in time to get involved in approving any form of government, whether it is temporary, advisory or legislative type authority in the Keewatin, in Nunavut in general unless there is some hope that this movement would continue in Nunavut after 1999.

We are talking about implementing something here that could die in 1999. Obviously, it would be a waste of a lot of effort and time on the part of a fair amount of people. I wonder if we could get assurance from the department that they would not proceed with this project unless it had, in writing, the support of the Interim Commissioner and NTI? Those are the two questions I have.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The mayors came over to Yellowknife, met with us and said the ideas that they have been dealing with. They were not sure why the people in the west would be concerned about this when they will not be living in Nunavut when Nunavut comes about. That was a question they had and they were wondering why the people in the west would have a concern about this. They felt that they would encourage the people in the west if they had done something like this. I will be letting my deputy minister respond to his question. (Translation ends)

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, with respect to the Member's questions about whether or not the Keewatin Communities Association would be involved in project management for Nunavut infrastructure, I can confirm that this is not part of the proposal. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

The other half of the question, Mr. Chairman, would the department make some effort to assure that they have the support of the Interim Commissioner and NTI in writing before they proceed with implementation with this particular movement? Mr. Chairman, I did talk with a mayor from the Keewatin, who I was quite friendly with in the past, and he did express his concern as to why we, in the west, would question this movement. I thought I had explained to him very clearly that I have no objection to this movement provided it has the written support of the Interim Commissioner and NTI, and therefore, it had a hope of surviving after 1999.

The second part of it was, I expressed to him I did not wish to be seen as designing a government for Nunavut. This, in fact, could be looked at in that way and that is what my concern is. I expressed those concerns to that particular mayor and he had seen the light, as far as I had thought, anyway, and he confirmed that he had nothing in writing at this point from the Interim Commissioner or NTI, but he would seek it because he did have verbal support for it. That is all I am asking. Is the department willing to seek this support in writing before we proceed?

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Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have already written to those two bodies, the NTI and Interim Commissioner. I have not had a response, just an oral response. The meeting in Rankin will address this issue, which is happening this month. Thank you.

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Thank you. Community operations, operations and maintenance. Total operations and maintenance, $10.7 million. Mr. O'Brien.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To comment further on the lengthy period of time we spent on this particular issue, I am sure it must be frustrating for the Minister. For the most part, what most of the Members and probably everybody here wants is just to get some more details on the proposal. I think what you are saying is we do not have all the details ready at this date.

At this point, for example, would you know or do you have any idea, as to when you will be looking at allocating capital projects in the various communities? How would you see that happening? You have a number of communities that have various interests and these projects would be funded to one group. Would it go to a vote then, for example if Repulse Bay wanted an arena or a swimming pool? Is that how you would see it going? All the members, the mayors I assume would be members, would vote on how the capital projects would be allocated whether it be a capital project or some issue that involved whatever community? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

I want to remind all of the Members, try and refrain from comments that may provoke an argument in this committee. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation) I will be speaking in Inuktitut again. This will be discussed in Rankin Inlet during this month. There will be different issues that will be coming up in this meeting. As the Members heard earlier, I will be providing a draft proposal to one of the Members and it will be available for review. After the meeting in Rankin Inlet, we will be able to have a comprehensive report regarding the major issues that will affect the region. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Thank you. Mr. O'Brien.

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Mr. Chairman, I have asked this before and I will ask it one more time. I would just like a yes or no answer. Will there be any impact, whatsoever, on the decentralized model as it refers to division and the jobs that are to be transferred to various communities, in particular, into my communities of

Arviat and Baker Lake? Yes or no? Will there be any impact whatsoever on this? Yes or no, please. Thank you.

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Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been going on with this and my answer is, no. (Translation ends)

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Thank you. Mr. O'Brien, are you okay with that Mr. O'Brien?

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Kevin O'Brien Kivallivik

Precise, precise, direct answer. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Shall we move on?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Community operations, operations and maintenance. Total operations and maintenance, $10.756 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Page 4-12, detail of capital, community operations, building and works headquarters. Total region, $1.275 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, could I get an indication where Detah is?

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Yes, could somebody point out to Mr. Steen where exactly Detah is and how far from this building the geographic location is? Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is across the lake at the point, that way. Thank you.

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Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

Mr. Chairman, is this the same community we were just talking about on a past activity where Mr. Erasmus identified nothing was happening over there? I believe, Mr. Chairman, it was suggested that it was not recognized as a community. But now I see $250,000 here for an outdoor skating rink. Could I have some explanation on that?

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The Chair John Ningark

Perhaps we were talking about Ndilo earlier. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Erasmus was talking about Ndilo just on the point here attached to this land. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Steen.

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Vince Steen

Vince Steen Nunakput

I understand it is a different place. Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Building and roads, headquarters, total region, $1.275 million. Mr. Picco and Mr. Roland.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, under private service connection assistance, various territorial $400,000. What is the private service connection assistance? Thank you.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is funding for piped water and sewer service connections. I will ask my deputy minister to elaborate more on that because I am just reading this and she probably knows more about this than I do.

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The Chair John Ningark

Ms. Ballantyne.

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Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the department has a program for piped water/sewer service connection to provide financial assistance to private homeowners to install a service connection from a property line to their house under the NWT Private Homeowners Piped Water/Sewer Service Connection Rebate Program.

The other facet of this program is to install piped water/sewer service connection from the mains under the street to the property line of leased lots owned by the NWT government. In this case prior commitment is here for the provision of service connections for the subdivision in Rankin Inlet. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, can the Minister then indicate if we are providing $400,000 to hook people to a utilidor system? Does that include all people who would make an application, for example if Mr. Picco in Iqaluit made an application to get assistance I could or Mr. Roland in Inuvik or Mr. Miltenberger in Fort Smith or is just for specific communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will refer the question to Mr. Vern Christensen.

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The Chair John Ningark

Mr. Christensen, assistant deputy minister.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This particular program is set up to deal with situations where it has been determined that it is more cost effective to provide piped services as opposed to trucked services. The program is here to help those homeowners who have already invested in their homes to provide trucked pump in pump out services within their building and to assist with the conversion.

The hypothetical situation of Mr. Picco in Iqaluit would apply if he was in a residence that was serviced by trucks and at a point later on it was decided it was more cost effective for the

servicing system of the community to put in piped services as opposed to maintain the present trucked arrangement. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I have on building and works, headquarters, Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Floyd Roland Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question was already asked.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Total regions, headquarters, $1.275 million. Agreed?

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Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Building and works, Fort Smith region, total region, $721,000. Mr. Picco.

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Edward Picco Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the Fort Smith region I noticed there is a lot of work on subdivisions being created including Fort Providence, Jean Marie River and other communities. The industrial subdivision in Wrigley, I think I had an answer on that before, but for clarification, what do you mean when you say industrial subdivision in Wrigley?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

This subdivision is for light industrial activity. I believe there is some highway maintenance activity that is starting in the community relating to the highway which runs by Wrigley. It involves the construction of 300 metres of road with the associated drainage and signage involved with the project. Based on the work that our community planning people have done in the region they are forecasting a requirement of about three lots, and these funds would go to that purpose. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Building and works for the Fort Smith region, total region, $721,000. Do we agree? Mr. Rabesca.

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James Rabesca North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would just like to have some clarification as to the water system in Rae-Edzo. What is it referring to?

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. Madam Minister.

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Manitok Thompson Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be referring a lot of these capital projects to my assistant deputy minister because he is aware of all of these projects and it is his specialty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

Thank you. I will allow the assistant deputy minister to respond and then we will recognize the clock. Mr. Christensen.

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Christensen

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In earlier discussion on the Rae-Edzo financial issues we made note of an assessment report that was being done and in which they are taking a look at the conditions of the water and sewer mains in Rae-Edzo. This funding is to assist in addressing those projects that are identified by that study. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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The Chair John Ningark

The time being 6:00 p.m., I will recognize the clock and report progress. I would like to thank the Minister and the witnesses for appearing before the committee.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

The House will come back to order. Good evening. Item 20, report of committee of the whole. Mr. Ningark.

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John Ningark Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, your committee has been considering Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99 and we would like to report progress. Mr. Speaker, I move that the report of committee of the whole be concurred with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Seconded by Mr. Krutko. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Item 21, third reading of bills. Item 22, orders of the day. Mr. Clerk.

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Clerk Of The House Mr. David Hamilton

Mr. Speaker, the meetings for tomorrow are the Standing Committee on Social Programs at 9:00 a.m., the Ordinary Members' Caucus at 11:00 a.m. and the Nunavut Caucus at 12:00 noon.

Orders of the day for Wednesday, February 11, 1998:

1. Prayer

2. Ministers' Statements

3. Members' Statements

4. Returns to Oral Questions

5. Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

6. Oral Questions

7. Written Questions

8. Returns to Written Questions

9. Replies to Opening Address

10. Petitions

11. Reports of Standing and Special Committees

12. Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills

13. Tabling of Documents

14. Notices of Motion

15. Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills

16. Motions

17. First Reading of Bills

- Bill 5, An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act, No. 2

- Bill 7, An Act to Amend the Territorial Court Act

- Bill 9, Loan Authorization Act, 1998-99

18. Second Reading of Bills

- Bill 10, Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1998

19. Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

- Bill 6, An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act

- Bill 8, Appropriation Act, 1998-99

- Committee Report 02-13(5), Standing Committee on Government Operations, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 03-13(5), Standing Committee on Infrastructure, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 04-13(5), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Committee Report 05-13(5), Standing Committee on Social Programs, Report on the 1998-99 Main Estimates

- Tabled Document 15-13(5), 1998-99 Budget Address

- Tabled Document 19-13(5), Guidelines for Implementing Public/Private Partnerships

20. Report of Committee of the Whole

21. Third Reading of Bills

22. Orders of the Day

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The Speaker Samuel Gargan

Thank you. This House stands adjourned to Wednesday, February 11th at 1:30 p.m.

--ADJOURNMENT